No Lift Upshift on Manual???

[Raikkonen]

As I can longer stand my transmission (the first auto I've ever had in a BMW) I'll without question be ordering my new 2016 M3 w/ a manual.

My ZF 8 spd. is by no means bad, I'm just so removed from the driving experience, I no longer feel "connected" to my car...

With that being said, I've read several articles on the new ATS-V, which features " no lift upshift" for its manual.

I understand the M3's manual has rev-matched downshifts (which can be disabled in Sport +), and I THINK it will hold revs on upshifts (can anyone confirm?), but does the car actually allow you to hold the gas pedal down while shifting up?? It would seem to be a matter of simply programing the e-throttle to allow for this...

I'm obviously aware of the fact you can forcibly "powershift", but that's not what I'm asking.

I'm not debating the advantage or disadvantage of this feature, I'm just curious to know if it exits, as I can't seem to find anyone specifically mentioning that it does.

It would also be nice if these manual feaures would trickle down to the non-M cars after the forthcoming LCI.

[gthal]

I believe the answer is no.

[domd817]

As per the holding up shifts. I noticed when the auto rev is enabled, it will hold up shifts. When the cars in sport + there is no holding either way. Hope that helps a little..

[Raikkonen]

thanks guys, I appreciate the confirmation

[georgere]

I know I m not a purist and after driving stick for the last 8 years I am getting tired of it especially when in traffic. I want to stay with manuals but will also appreciate some help from all the tech. I really liked test driving M4 with manual I was amazed how cool the downshift rev match works. When I learned that Cadi does the similar feature for upshift, I was disappointed (not much but still) that BMW at this day and age dos not have it.
I am still debating M vs DCT while waiting for 2016 allocation.

[04RC51]

Originally Posted by georgere

I know I m not a purist and after driving stick for the last 8 years I am getting tired of it especially when in traffic. I want to stay with manuals but will also appreciate some help from all the tech. I really liked test driving M4 with manual I was amazed how cool the downshift rev match works. When I learned that Cadi does the similar feature for upshift, I was disappointed (not much but still) that BMW at this day and age dos not have it.
I am still debating M vs DCT while waiting for 2016 allocation.

Hit me up if you want to drive the DCT before ordering. I'll let you beat on my car to help you decide. I work in Stamford.

[RedBolden]

What's the fun in having a manual if you have nannies on to help you drive it? I bought my M4 with a manual because it's modern fun with an old school feel. If you need a no lift upshift, you should get the DCT. P.S. I'm glad I pulled the trigger and not waited on the ATS-V.

[JoeFromPA]

You can no-lift upshift. But no, the computer doesn't do it for you

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

You can no-lift upshift. But no, the computer doesn't do it for you

I was about to say this lol!

[AMPowerJ]

It wouldn't be good for the driveline but you can power shift like any other manual transmission.

[specracer]

Any blip of the throttle by the computer for an up shift or down shift, is initiated by pressing the clutch, not the shifter, so the "no lift" shift would be a power shift with out any help from the car, and brutal on the transmission.

[Blindside_137]

Had no idea the ATSV could do this, kinda defeats the purpose of a manual. I would never want that feature

interesting

[solstice]

Originally Posted by specracer

Any blip of the throttle by the computer for an up shift or down shift, is initiated by pressing the clutch, not the shifter, so the "no lift" shift would be a power shift with out any help from the car, and brutal on the transmission.

Not how it works in my car. The blip comes when you enter the gate of the new gear not when you clutch out. Do this simple test, clutch out -> wait 30s or so -> downshift. You'll notice there is no blip until you enter the gate of the lower gear.

This is neccessary for the car to know the required blip. It has no idea of that until it know what gear you are going to.

[3er]

Originally Posted by solstice

Not how it works in my car. The blip comes when you enter the gate of the new gear not when you clutch out. Do this simple test, clutch out -> wait 30s or so -> downshift. You'll notice there is no blip until you enter the gate of the lower gear.

This is necessary for the car to know the required blip. It has no idea of that until it know what gear you are going to.

+1

[georgere]

Originally Posted by 04RC51

Hit me up if you want to drive the DCT before ordering. I'll let you beat on my car to help you decide. I work in Stamford.

Thanks man will do. can you PM me the best way to reach you. thanks.

[Ramos]

I think I can up shift the good old fashioned way without risking any of these shenanigans "almost" as quickly .. Maybe two tenth of a second slower if that

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

Had no idea the ATSV could do this, kinda defeats the purpose of a manual. I would never want that feature

interesting

Doesn't defeat anything. The feature is there, doesn't mean you have to use.

No shift helps immensely drag racing or runway events. If you are into things. If not don't use the no-lift shift.

[specracer]

What I did, was clutch in, neutral, then clutch out (so rolling), pulled slightly on shifter, no blip, which to me was the closest scenario to the no lift shift. All was done within a second or two. I'll experiment more might need to pull harder into the gate? In the end I hate rev match, I prefer doing it myself, which is why I bought a manual.

Originally Posted by solstice

Not how it works in my car. The blip comes when you enter the gate of the new gear not when you clutch out. Do this simple test, clutch out -> wait 30s or so -> downshift. You'll notice there is no blip until you enter the gate of the lower gear.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by specracer

What I did, was clutch in, neutral, then clutch out (so rolling), pulled slightly on shifter, no blip, which to me was the closest scenario to the no lift shift. All was done within a second or two. I'll experiment more might need to pull harder into the gate? In the end I hate rev match, I prefer doing it myself, which is why I bought a manual.

The downshift blip comes even if you keep the clutch to the floor. It's triggered by the shift lever position not the clutch. Up shift rev matching is different , I never notice it, the revs drop linear and until around 2k rpm if you let them where they pause for a moment and there is no blip. Not sure what happens with a WOT shift, never tried it and never will.

[specracer]

For sure!

Originally Posted by solstice

Not sure what happens with a WOT shift, never tried it and never will.

[stripler]

I thought "no lift shift" for the upcoming ATS-V manual trans was a reference to the accelarator. That's the only way it makes sense to me. The computer would automatically cut throttle when you depressed clutch and made upshift, then immediately go back on throttle while your right foot never came off gas.

Some of the comments here talk about not lifting off clutch, but if you are up shifting and you've depressed clutch already, I don't see the performance advantage of "not lifting" off clutch.

[stripler]

I thought "no lift shift" for the upcoming ATS-V manual trans was a reference to the accelarator. That's the only way it makes sense to me. The computer would automatically cut throttle when you depressed clutch and made upshift, then immediately go back on throttle while your right foot never came off gas. Like power shifting where you never come off gas.

Some of the comments here talk about not lifting off clutch, but if you are up shifting and you've depressed clutch already, I don't see the performance advantage of "not lifting" off clutch.

As for clutchless shifting, I would not do that unless your clutch was gone and it was the only way to move car in an emergency. If skilled, you can shift without clutch somewhat, but you will most likely destroy the syncros in your trans.