03-20-2012, 04:32 AM | #1 |
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Could F80M3 and F82M4 get different engines?
Or could the complete new M engine only be introduced with the M4 and the M3 gets an "interim" engine until the M4 will be introduced ?
Is there any possibility for such an scenario ? I think I have read an post here in this forum where someone quoted Scott26 with such an possibility. Greets Uli_HH Last edited by Uli_HH; 03-20-2012 at 04:38 AM.. |
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It could be possible I I think it will be too costly. If the engines will be different, I however think they will be based on the same one, like X5 M vs. M5. I know the 3.3l I6 is not easy to understand, because if it is true the engine is not based on N55. Could it be they decided to base this engine on the V8 but make an I6, cut the engine in two longitudinally in two, get an I4, add two cylinders and get an I6, but in this way we already know for sure what engine the M2 is getting. The X3 M will not come until the will be an X4 M. Nor will there be any Z4 M this generation. So the M3 will still get a new engine, and it will not be made from parts of the bin as there are going to be no more, if to think about N54 and S65. IMO there can be only two ways: 3.0-3.2l I6 based on N55 or 3.3l V6 based on S63. The last variant possible is the one I mentioned above, only if both N55 was not enough good and they still did not want to go the V6 route. Some insider said the M3 would get I6 and the M4 V6, but also this is hardly believable, as the I6 will still have costed R&D and for only one model. To cut costs down, all M3 Sedan, M3 Touring (if it comes), M3 GranTourer (if they change their mind) M4 Coupé, M4 Convertible, M4 GranCoupé, M4 GranShooting (if it comes), X3 M (if it has time), X4 M and Z4 M (thought maybe not E89) would all get the same engine. Afterall that is the same case for the M5 Sedan, M5 Touring (if it still comes), M6 Coupé, M6 Convertible, M6 GranCoupé (which is coming), M6 GranShooting (which could come), X5 M, X6 M and any possible BMW supercar (M1) or luxury roadster (Z8).
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This stratgy would allow BMW to bring the M3 earlier into the market ... and hold back the new engine for the premier of the complete new M4 ... secondly an M3 with such an engine would be hold well below the F10 M5 until this car could get an "Performence Package" in 09/2013 to preserve the performence gap between new M3/M4 and M5/M6. BMW is well known for doing so in its AG-range (528i with N53, etc,!) Is is nothing but pure speculation ... in in my opinion it could make sense and explain some of the confusing rumors. Greets Uli_HH Last edited by Uli_HH; 03-20-2012 at 01:29 PM.. |
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03-20-2012, 11:10 AM | #4 |
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Again, I highly doubt that BMW would create two different engines for the four F8X cars. If there are to be any differences, it will likely be limited to mapping/software changes plus additional cooling, similar to what was done with the Performance Packs in the E90 335i.
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Eh, BMW seems to put a priority to cost savings these days (well in fairness everyone is). It seems like in every new car post a BMW emplooye is quoted saying something like "The new BMW X shares Y parts with the Z Series, to reduce production costs/ improve efficiency." So I don't see it happening.
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Can anybody tell the significance of the "M 40" signature in SCOTT26's profile? Could it be a clue as to the new engine? It seems too "in your face" to be nothing of significance!
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I'm assuming it's a reference to the upcoming MX40i (M340i, M440i, M540i, etc) lineup of cars that will be powered by the N55 replacement as part of BMW's expansion of its M Performance line.
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I liked your hypothesis better too, but thank gawd he spilled the beans. It was driving me nuts.
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The M3 CRT E90 is a much better car than the M3 GTS E92, but IMO nothing beats the M3 CSL E46. I just hope the special car will not be the X6 M CRT (E71).
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I'm curious why you think the CRT is a much better car thn the GTS, Levi. Is it because it's more streetable? Is the GTS not faster around the track?
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In other words the M3 CRT has the same performance, has slightly better balance, is more practicle and more exclusive/special than the GTS. I would love the same recipe as the CRT for the Coupé but even more extreme: always 4 seats, but more power, more CF so less weight and more agressive exterior. For me a "GTS" would be more interesting if it was smaller and based on the 1 Series M Coupé. M4 GCSL (GranCoupé Sport Leichtbau F85) would be epic ! Well, that is just my personal opinion. |
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BMW at the AutoChina , Beijing. (late April,early May) , BMW M Festival - precursor to the anniversary and MINI United - Launch of the next MINI JCW GP.
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