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Despite torque being largely irrelevant to most performance metrics we care about...
Now that fact that it will be in the neighborhood of 450 hp, that is going to be impressive.
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s65 biturbo for sure
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I'd prefer that they speed up the R&D and launch the M car earlier, rather than a year or two after F30 released. Since the new car comes with a longer bonnet, M division might surprise everyone with a rumbling Inline-8 turbocharged instead. Last edited by Rocky99; 09-05-2011 at 09:40 AM.. |
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10-22-2011, 08:12 AM | #272 |
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1. S65 V8 Biturbo Engine:
I like the idea. 2. Modified N54 Engine: My favorite option. I like a 3.5~4L I6 with or without turbo. Still plenty of time left for R&D. 3. Modified S63 Engine: No one engine for all? I dunno, I think #4 is a little more disappointing. 4. V6 Engine Based on the S63: My least favorite option. One thing all previous M3 sedan or coupe shared in common is "REV". I appreciate new technologies but something is never to be forgotten. Sure, turbo can provide gobs of torque. If turbo is a must for efficiencies, then I prefer a turbo engine revving to 8k like my E46 M no matter what platform BMW decides to go with. Last edited by Envyscorpio; 10-22-2011 at 08:20 AM.. |
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1. V8 Biturbo Least likely IMO. Think of the past, M3s typically 2 less cylinders than M5. Also, does not fit in with new corporate direction of "Efficient Dynamics" - this option will not be sufficiently efficient. 2. Development of N54 - no forced induction. 2nd least likely. First, not special enough. Second, I don't expect M engineers will get the power/fuel efficiency combo they want w/ this design. 3. S63 - probably too big for M3 (weight etc). 4. Mod S63 - 6-cyl. Plus: can likely get the hp/mpg combo. Negatives: V6. But when we think about it, the E9X M3's V8 set the stage for this strategy of downsizing the M5's donk. Also, development costs / time lessened. Have not seen reviewers complaining about the S63 - except that it does not rev like the prior M5's V10. Same will likely be said of next gen M3/M4. I think this model is pretty likely. 5. New gen IL6 with tri-turbo (with electrical pre-lim spool to eliminate drag). Say 3.2 - 3.4L. My preferred option: would get to 450 hp and maybe 25-30% more efficiency than outgoing V8. Also possible. Don't get me wrong: I love my M3's V8. Just that with new fuel targets, globally, the writing is already on the wall. Tech must move on.
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An S65 or S63 BiTurbo Engine would be fantastic, but following the BMW heritage an In-line 6 BiTurbo would be more appropriate. I for one would be disappointed and feel short changed if BMW through a modified N54 engine in there and it just doesn't seem right to have an M with a V6.
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S65 V8 Biturbo engine FTW. THIS will be a beast~~
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11-22-2011, 12:10 AM | #280 | |
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They are not going to design a dedicated inline 6 just for the m3. They likely will use a V6 as this would not require a totally new design as its based off the M5 V8. The only engine I would be disapointed in is a version of any existing engine in tweaked form, such as the 1m. I have no clue how people want a 1m knowing its a 335/135 engine. Half the fun of driving the m3 is knowing you have a 1 of a kind engine, that no other car model has. It has unique sound, feeling etc. It may not always be the fastest or most efficient but it is special and feel is what m owners strive for. As long as its a unique m3 engine I do not care. M3 owners need to feel they have some special technology and I just like to see M push the limits on technology, but whatever form it takes is fine by me, so long as its at the edge of that type of technology |
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The I6 engine that is in question is based upon the N55 and has a 3.2l displacement. I however am for the 3.3l V6, it will be the most special M engine ever, as the first V6 engine ever built by BMW. This configuration is also best for FI, weight distibution and lower center of gravity. From what I know, favor again turns out to the V6.
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I think you are out to lunch my friend. Who said they have to make a 600 hp tt S65. If they choose to add turbo's to the s65 the main reason will be for increased efficiency instead of increased power. Lowering compression, heat efficiency via turbocharging, making same power at lower rpms due to said turbocharging, cylinder deactivation at part throttle are all ways that they could accomplish this. If they so choose they could use the S65 with TT and tweaking and achieve the targetted power of 450-500hp and get better mileage than the current one. I suspect the efficiency of the V6 may be slightly better even with these tweaks and this may determine the ultimate decision in the end. |
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