What’s going on with GTS prices?

[hi_officer]

Originally Posted by schnell325

God damn you guys!!!! I know there’s a lot of sharks / trolls on this forum / thread ... Just buy it if you think it’s a deal! Then regale all of us who clearly bought new and paid too much!

It's not that bad. 991.1 GT3s are trading in / selling @ $30k-$40k below msrp (and many paid ADMs on top of msrp). Feel lucky you get to drive your car everyday!

[hi_officer]

$97,400... that's the base price of the M3CS. Very interesting!

EDIT: Just realized it's limited to 1,200 units WW and 550 in the US. I bet BMW ups that to 2,000 and 1,000

[ChiTownM]

BMW corp doesn't know how to go to market with cars. I know how it feels, bought a 2014 i8 and then they flooded the market.....at least I didn't pay a cent over sticker. Drive and enjoy, unless you wanted to flip it.....then it was a bad deal.

[hi_officer]

Interesting price.

I went on the configurator and the most expensive M3 I could build (without upgraded warranty/service plans) was $99,193. This include individual paint, interior, trim and all the little accessories.

Too bad BMW doesn't follow Porsche's strategy with the 911 GTS model. Porsche basically include a bunch of stuff as standard, tweak the power and offer it for LESS than what you would build a la carte on a 911 C2S. BMW is clearly charging more for the same.

[stevehifi]

Originally Posted by Rambler

Honestly, the roll cage in this car is part of its special appeal to me. Not many street cars you can get straight from the factory with a cage in the US (in fact are there any, 997 GT3 RS maybe). Never mind one as beautifully painted as this one. Without the cage, why not just spec out an M4 CP or CS?

I bet you the rollcage is probably the number one visual detractor of this car... majority of the guys that buy these cars say they track the car but in the end they want practicality too. They see this massive cage in the back and the price and they just walk away and go buy a porsche (which is faster and I dare say more practical)

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by hi_officer

$97,400... that's the base price of the M3CS. Very interesting!

Just wait 6 months from release and pick one up collecting dust in a showroom, for $80k.

Originally Posted by hi_officer

Too bad BMW doesn't follow Porsche's strategy with the 911 GTS model. Porsche basically include a bunch of stuff as standard, tweak the power and offer it for LESS than what you would build a la carte on a 911 C2S. BMW is clearly charging more for the same.

Exactly

[Sparco]

Originally Posted by schnell325

God damn you guys!!!! I know there’s a lot of sharks / trolls on this forum / thread ... Just buy it if you think it’s a deal! Then regale all of us who clearly bought new and paid too much!

Trust me, I have been working my ass off trying to cement a deal. I do believe I'm getting close.

[Sparco]

Guys, I've been working as diligently as I can to land one of these gems. I say gems as I have my own personal opinions about the model. With the release of the M3 CS base price, I can't help but think all things being equal that a GTS would be a decent buy at circa 100K. With that being said, I'm holding on to my Giulia quad as it truly is a terrific car in all respects. Read the Motortrend car of the year review, its totally spot on. Hoping to land a GTS soon

[ilikebmxbikes]

Price aside, the m4 GTS is an extremely interesting and cool car. To get one under $100k seems like an insane deal. While it will surely rise in value, I would purchase one to keep.

[Damage Inc]

Wow, crazy to see the prices dropping. Could be temporary though.

I do wish BMW would have put a N/A race motor in their GTS. How cool would that be! I bet if they did, the resale would be through the roof. I know I would be lusting for one. But with a turbo... meh.

That's what keeps the 911 variants unique, and strong resale. If you want a N/A race motor to knock your socks off, you have to go GT car. BMW stuck with turbo's which makes this car less special.

911.1 GT3 prices are taking a hit now that the 991.2 GT3 has 1) updated 4.0 motor 2) manual trans 3) touring pack. Until that announcement, 991.1 GT3's were staying at sticker. This shows P also listens to their customers. Hopefully BMW will do the same and follow Porsche GT cars.

[hi_officer]

Originally Posted by MojorisinM3

Wow, crazy to see the prices dropping. Could be temporary though.

I do wish BMW would have put a N/A race motor in their GTS. How cool would that be! I bet if they did, the resale would be through the roof. I know I would be lusting for one. But with a turbo... meh.

That's what keeps the 911 variants unique, and strong resale. If you want a N/A race motor to knock your socks off, you have to go GT car. BMW stuck with turbo's which makes this car less special.

911.1 GT3 prices are taking a hit now that the 991.2 GT3 has 1) updated 4.0 motor 2) manual trans 3) touring pack. Until that announcement, 991.1 GT3's were staying at sticker. This shows P also listens to their customers. Hopefully BMW will do the same and follow Porsche GT cars.

Although I prefer NA motors, many IMSA race cars use FI motors.

[johnnylib68]

anyone have proof of the 100 extra cars coming to the US? i have been wondering about the overage that happened and how that might affect the market.

[johnnylib68]

I just test drove the 2018 M3 with Comp package and the 2018 M4 Conv this week. You really cannot compare even the 2018 models with the GTS as far as performance. Night and day difference. I have not taken mine on the track yet but having driven M2, M3 and M4s on the track I would still say none of them compare to the GTS. I've driven it quite a lot around town and as a daily driver it is not bad for what it is. (And our roads are bout = to third world) My daily is an e60M. Ultimately, I think the performance qualities, limited number and design will prove to be a winner for values but will be many years before it will be worth even MSRP. IMHO.

[hi_officer]

Originally Posted by johnnylib68

I just test drove the 2018 M3 with Comp package and the 2018 M4 Conv this week. You really cannot compare even the 2018 models with the GTS as far as performance. Night and day difference. I have not taken mine on the track yet but having driven M2, M3 and M4s on the track I would still say none of them compare to the GTS. I've driven it quite a lot around town and as a daily driver it is not bad for what it is. (And our roads are bout = to third world) My daily is an e60M. Ultimately, I think the performance qualities, limited number and design will prove to be a winner for values but will be many years before it will be worth even MSRP. IMHO.

Yep, not sure if anyone is really disagreeing with what you said, but values and limited numbers do not correlate to performance.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Rambler

Honestly, the roll cage in this car is part of its special appeal to me. Not many street cars you can get straight from the factory with a cage in the US (in fact are there any, 997 GT3 RS maybe). Never mind one as beautifully painted as this one. Without the cage, why not just spec out an M4 CP or CS?

For the engine, suspension and aero. That is the main appeal of the GTS to me.

[Sparco]

Originally Posted by johnnylib68

anyone have proof of the 100 extra cars coming to the US? i have been wondering about the overage that happened and how that might affect the market.

Would like clarification on this also.

[Sparco]

After studying the market really carefully, I'm beginning to wonder if the smarter money wouldn't be purchasing a 991 GT3? Why are GTSs with literally no miles sitting around not moving? When i say not moving I'm talking 6 months. Obviously its well documented for a variety of reasons that the market has softened but when does it harden? I like buying and selling cars often. I never thought I would get to this level doing this so often but what the hell. As much as I want to pull the trigger on a GTS, can't help but wonder if the GT3 would be the safer purchase? Decisions decisions.......

[Rambler]

Originally Posted by Sparco

After studying the market really carefully, I'm beginning to wonder if the smarter money wouldn't be purchasing a 991 GT3? Why are GTSs with literally no miles sitting around not moving? When i say not moving I'm talking 6 months. Obviously its well documented for a variety of reasons that the market has softened but when does it harden? I like buying and selling cars often. I never thought I would get to this level doing this so often but what the hell. As much as I want to pull the trigger on a GTS, can't help but wonder if the GT3 would be the safer purchase? Decisions decisions.......

When the GTS was new selling for msrp or more, it was much harder to argue against a GT3. But now there is a 40-50k price differential between a used 991 GT3 and GTS; and 80-100k for a new one, if you can get one. At those levels, not sure if that is smarter money. Personally I’d feel more comfortable at current GTS price levels in comparison, especially if tracking the car.

[johnr265]

As with most things market related, it is better to buy when others are selling and sell when others are buying. The me too copy cat is usually too late to the game. Agree that the while the GT3 may be the better car, the GTS is the better buy.

[hi_officer]

Originally Posted by johnr265

As with most things market related, it is better to buy when others are selling and sell when others are buying. The me too copy cat is usually too late to the game. Agree that the while the GT3 may be the better car, the GTS is the better buy.

If a GT3 pulls up next to you at a stoplight, now which one is the better buy?

[Rambler]

Originally Posted by hi_officer

If a GT3 pulls up next to you at a stoplight, now which one is the better buy?

This is a trick question because GT3 owners don't drive them. They garage them to save miles and preserve the condition for the next owner.

[hi_officer]

Originally Posted by Rambler

This is a trick question because GT3 owners don't drive them. They garage them to save miles and preserve the condition for the next owner.

oh is that the narrative now?

Look at any track day sign up sheet and you will see who really drives their cars