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We both had 120d s to begin with and he had a 130i and 135i as I recall. 1M doesn´t feel noseheavy at all Who said that in the first place needs to gets his or her head examined.As you know It has its aluminium bespoke front chassis setup and wider track than normal 1 series etc. Maybe you mean tailhappy. LOL. Cheers Robin |
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Well, many reviewers prefered the more balanced handling of the 328i F30 over the 335i F30. |
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02-07-2013, 01:25 AM | #205 |
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All of you torque folks really grate on me (and on other clued up enthusiasts as well).
More torque is fine, nothing wrong with it, however, it does next to nothing for actually making a car faster. Isn't that what most of us actually care about (or profess to care about). Torque is great for mashing the throttle in 7th gear (maybe 8th in the new M3/M4) at 50 mph, but in REAL contests, when choosing the best gear possible to maximize acceleration, hp is the single figure that matters, pretty well totally independent of torque (well again technically power to weight ratio... but POWER not torque). I don't give a single rats ass about how much more or how much total torque the car will make, neither should any true M enthusiast.
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All old M3 didn´t have the highest torque numbers but were faster than nearly all competitors ... torque numbers are important for petrol cars and for drivers who don´t like changing the gear. According to my last informations its simply not so important, which engine with which specs would make it into the M3/M4, to make the F8x the "best M3 ever" and much better than all precessors, simply because they reached an empty weight of the car in the range of < 1.500kg (< 3.300lbs).With this low weight and ~415hp the M3/M4 will be dominant over all today an tomorow competitors ... but I will not except that because of the great reached weight reduction BMW think the cheapest possible engine would be enough !!! |
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02-07-2013, 07:37 AM | #207 | ||
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Isn't it ironic that, for all the passion there is surrounding gearbox type, there is just as much protest when it comes time to shift? It is doubly ironic when you consider that modern gearboxes used in high performance applications are built with the express goal of making shifting easier so that you can reap the full potential of the car's engine. It is also ironic that folks will spend so much time selecting a vehicle that meets their performance needs, only to, in many cases, drive that vehicle in a fashion that will only provide them with the illusion of performance rather than actual performance. Quote:
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02-08-2013, 11:42 AM | #211 |
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Power sells cars, torque wins races. Try a 1M and you'll be surprised how fast it is in any gear almost anytime at any revs, not just in 6th @ 60mph but also @ 3000/4000/5000rpm in 3rd.
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02-08-2013, 12:39 PM | #212 |
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That is no more the case. Today torque sells cars, and power ("money") wins races.
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02-08-2013, 05:27 PM | #213 | |
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Of course I agree with Robin but no need to take it any further...
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In case you are interested in some light reading that will lead you to enlightenment this evening:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...um#post2144527 Or whatever time of day it is on your parts of the globe when you get this message. Quote:
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We all know a M3/1M etc can go to 60 in about 4.5 seconds , can do 155mph or even more. I know this is a US based site I like very much, but how many of you have tried to go to 60 in 4.5(ok maybe a lot) but the 155mph I guess not many of you/us. (Me >100 of times being near the German border so to speak) . The same theory for going around a track in XX:XX time. We all know you need to put the DTC etc to low/off to get the best results. How many of the M drivers do that actually. (I do) Not many I'm sure(worldwide and on this site). So theory and practice are 2 totally different worlds. Cheers Robin(Former E90M3) Last edited by Robin_NL; 02-09-2013 at 01:44 AM.. |
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1. It is very likely underrated. 2. It has an over boost feature which BMW claims makes extra torque but not extra PEAK hp, which either way certainly makes more power at some rpm. 3. It is lighter than the M3 ultimately giving it a close power to weight ratio. Thus when driven properly and aggressively it is a bit slower than the M3. In case you missed the part of the debate about power vs. torque it implicitly means those for things all else equal (most importantly weight). Quote:
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A couple other other key facts: 1. You do realize that torque is meaningless without also knowing gear ratios? That is basically what hp tells you, the combination of torque and rpm. That is why hp tells much more than torque. 2. At any given speed if two equal weight cars accelerate the one producing the higher power at that speed will ALWAYS pull on the other car. This is an absolutely non debatable issue stemming from basic physics. The relevant equation is simply a = P/mv, acceleration is power/mass x velocity. Try to substitute torque into the equation and you have a requirement to know rpm! I only said at the same speed, not the same rpm. Get it now?
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Anyway, I 'll go back ontopic. The S55 can be a great engine for such a car wether it has 2 or 3 turbos, I'm fine with that.
They also need to get the weight down to at least 200lbs less than the current M3 please. Cheers Robin |
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Well, its a start at least.
I've removed a few parts from your posts (and the replies to them) so as to keep this thread free from off-topic controversy. If you wish to read more or contribute more posts, there are plenty of other existing threads regarding the M3 vs. the 1M, the S65 and its torque output, or other similar discussions. All I ask is that you use the designated forums. Thanks. |
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Even in my world of 60-120 Litre turbo diesel engines, torque ratings are never quoted it is always HORSEPOWER or KW. The reason for this is because the horsepower rating is what determines how much work can be done by that engine, not the torque rating! |
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