Made a trip to Cali to swap my JB4 for VF Hex tune

dmk08 · 05-18-2016, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

Oh neat. Are you sitting there waiting right now? I'm curious too. Everyone seems to be doing this VF tune.

///Marketing to say JB4 is now bad and you have to spend another $1200 for the latest greatest.. IMO.

I personally love this test but Map 2 is the real one to compare against stage 2. But I guess us 93 octane guys are spoiled

dmk08 · 05-18-2016, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Performance Eurowerks

Thanks for being very candid with all of the dyno findings!

Can't wait to see how everything compares with the VF tune.

If you can also post results in SAE for a more standardized comparison, it would truly be appreciated.

I believe the majority on these forums prefers seeing uncorrected....

It really doesnt matter what he dynos vs anyone elses. Its about what he dynos JB4 to the tune and the differences.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 05-18-2016, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowssm

I didn't log on map 1 but my buddy was playing with the phone app and logged a run on map 0

Your power looks pretty low for JB4 map1 even on 91 octane. Should be around 480whp on pump gas. The log on map1 would show why that might be.

Mike

yellowssm · 05-18-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

///Marketing to say JB4 is now bad and you have to spend another $1200 for the latest greatest.. IMO.

I personally love this test but Map 2 is the real one to compare against stage 2. But I guess us 93 octane guys are spoiled

I never said jb4 was bad. Don't know where you got that. Search my user name and show me where I once ever said anything was bad about JB4. I've said nothing but good things about it and the phone app is awesome. Why is map 2 the one to test? If I'm 91 octane vs 91 octane that seems plenty fair to me. Where I live there is no 91 so that's useless. I do run e85 mix on the Jb4 map 2 but would that be fair to VF to do a Jb4 map2 e85 run vs VF stage 2 91 pull since their stage 2 is only for 91?

dmk08 · 05-18-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowssm

I never said jb4 was bad. Don't know where you got that. Search my user name and show me where I once ever said anything was bad about JB4. I've said nothing but good things about it and the phone app is awesome. Why is map 2 the one to test? If I'm 91 octane vs 91 octane that seems plenty fair to me. Where I live there is no 91 so that's useless. I do run e85 mix on the Jb4 map 2 but would that be fair to VF to do a Jb4 map2 e85 run vs VF stage 2 91 pull since their stage 2 is only for 91?

I never said you said it was bad. I said it's hot right now because every vendor who sells it is trying to push it and upgrade people from JB4 claiming its bad. Sorry it wasnt directed at you.

Example.. I had a vendor tell me how much faster GIAC was than JB4 then it put down crap power and got dusted. Looking forward to the results tho... I would love to see a flash tune that really produces.

Arcades · 05-18-2016, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

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Originally Posted by yellowssm

I never said jb4 was bad. Don't know where you got that. Search my user name and show me where I once ever said anything was bad about JB4. I've said nothing but good things about it and the phone app is awesome. Why is map 2 the one to test? If I'm 91 octane vs 91 octane that seems plenty fair to me. Where I live there is no 91 so that's useless. I do run e85 mix on the Jb4 map 2 but would that be fair to VF to do a Jb4 map2 e85 run vs VF stage 2 91 pull since their stage 2 is only for 91?

I never said you said it was bad. I said it's hot right now because every vendor who sells it is trying to push it and upgrade people from JB4 claiming its bad. Sorry it wasnt directed at you.

Example.. I had a vendor tell me how much faster GIAC was than JB4 then it put down crap power and got dusted. Looking forward to the results tho... I would love to see a flash tune that really produces.

Probably more for the burbling and GTS like effects maybe.

Who knows, people do crazy things for their love of cars. Most of us aren't that much different.

WoohooSoCal · 05-18-2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowssm

I'm hanging at supreme power right now which is right down the street from VF while my car is being updated and flashed

I thought Supreme was the vendor for VF and they could do this flash now?

yellowssm · 05-18-2016, 04:25 PM

Supreme is the vendor but VF does the flashing

Drew@Sonic MS · 05-18-2016, 04:28 PM

It's not all about power at the end of the day... although it is a major factor. Flash tuning is a huge plus on DCT cars. Using a piggyback doesn't allow the TCU to get true values so it's a lot less smooth than a flash car and when you're running huge power it can have catastrophic issues. A manual car probably wouldn't be affected as much. I'd rather have a lower powered vehicle that drives smooth and puts down the power right but more power with stock smoothness is even better.

WoohooSoCal · 05-18-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowssm

Supreme is the vendor but VF does the flashing

Did you get the TCU flash also?

WoohooSoCal · 05-18-2016, 05:07 PM

Hopefully the car is on the dyno after the flash now...

yellowssm · 05-18-2016, 06:11 PM

heres the dynos sae and uncorrected. Top 2 are VF stage 2, bottom 3 are JB4 map 1

yellowssm · 05-18-2016, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WoohooSoCal

Did you get the TCU flash also?

Nope

AW BMW · 05-18-2016, 06:15 PM

The blue and green are the vf tune and the other 3 the JB4 correct?

WoohooSoCal · 05-18-2016, 06:37 PM

Notes taken: VRSF downpipes and 91 Octane

VF Stage 2 tune = ~+30 - 35 hp and ~+60 torque over JB4 Map 1 (same day)

In which gear did they do the dyno pulls?

dmk08 · 05-18-2016, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowssm

heres the dynos sae and uncorrected. Top 2 are VF stage 2, bottom 3 are JB4 map 1

Looks good. How does it feel?

yellowssm · 05-18-2016, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AW BMW

The blue and green are the vf tune and the other 3 the JB4 correct?

Yes

yellowssm · 05-18-2016, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WoohooSoCal

Notes taken: VRSF downpipes and 91 Octane

VF Stage 2 tune = ~+30 - 35 hp and ~+60 torque over JB4 Map 1 (same day)

In which gear did they do the dyno pulls?

Yes same day but much warmer inside the shop. 4th gear

AW BMW · 05-18-2016, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Looks good. How does it feel?

Anyway, after reading what he wrote and me not noticing which tune was what. The vf tune does look good considering its all on 91 piss poor Cali octane. Makes me wonder how good a 93 octane tune would do.

yellowssm · 05-18-2016, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Looks good. How does it feel?

I will post impressions in a little bit. Need some food!

WoohooSoCal · 05-18-2016, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AW BMW

Anyway, after reading what he wrote and me not noticing which tune was what. The vf tune does look good considering its all on 91 piss poor Cali octane. Makes me wonder how good a 93 octane tune would do.

E85/91 mix and straight 100....hopefully I'll find out in a couple of weeks.

///Pip · 05-18-2016, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowssm

heres the dynos sae and uncorrected. Top 2 are VF stage 2, bottom 3 are JB4 map 1

Thank you for taking the time to post this :-)

Hex Tune dyno curves sure looks good.

However, I noticed the Hex tune bhp and tq ... come in a good 400 rpm later than JB4.

Crucially ... comes in at a rather high 3,200 rpm.

I suspect it will lag more in stop start city driving compared to the JB4.

No doubt, highway pulls it will be like a freight train ... haha

Keen to get your impressions ... especially stop start daily driving from traffic lights to traffic lights.

and of course ... that burble !!

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WoohooSoCal Second Lieutenant 237 Rep 258 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 SS II / SS Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: So Cal iTrader: (0)	Notes taken: VRSF downpipes and 91 Octane VF Stage 2 tune = ~+30 - 35 hp and ~+60 torque over JB4 Map 1 (same day) In which gear did they do the dyno pulls?
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