Hello BMW!!! F80/82 M3/M4 Weight...LESS WEIGHT PLEASE!!

[Randy M]

Even the 997 GT3 is over 3,100 lbs. The M4 is 300-400 lbs more for a larger car, real back seats and optional amenities...

There is a decent amount of carbon fiber on the car. Roof, CFRP trunk lid, under skin of the hood, driveshaft etc., I'd say BMW has done really well in trying to keep the weight down.

[jzmundy]

Originally Posted by Rated R

Even the 997 GT3 is over 3,100 lbs. The M4 is 300-400 lbs more for a larger car, real back seats and optional amenities...

There is a decent amount of carbon fiber on the car. Roof, CFRP trunk lid, under skin of the hood, driveshaft etc., I'd say BMW has done really well in trying to keep the weight down.

What laughable, unrealistic expectations for a car of this nature and price point, OP.

[gblansten]

Guys, those weights are for the V6 version of the M3/4. The I6 will come in under 3400 pounds. You mark my words.

[solstice]

Seems to me the weight is very close to as advertised by BMW. 3704 ( old car ) vs 3530 ( new car ). 174 lbs difference. It could easily have been made a lot lighter and retain the size and modern equipment if it had a full alu chassi and a NA I6. That would mean less power, especially TQ and the whining from most would have been 10x what is now. I would prefer that but I'm in minority. The weight loss is real though and not bad taken the type of car it is.

[TunedM2C]

Originally Posted by GotEM4

less than 3000lb.? You want a Yugo car then

Or my car, a Mini GP that weights in at 2750 pounds.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Guys, those weights are for the V6 version of the M3/4. The I6 will come in under 3400 pounds. You mark my words.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by solstice

Seems to me the weight is very close to as advertised by BMW. 3704 ( old car ) vs 3530 ( new car ). 174 lbs difference.

As I posted earlier, for me, what does not compute is the discrepancy between the different published weights on the US website M3 vs M4 and 6MT vs DCT.

According to the US site:
M3 10lb heavier than M4 (51lb according to BMW)
DCT 55lb heavier than 6MT (89lb according to BMW)

Can we rely on any of the info published on that site

IMO, it is a bunch of rubbish. Various pictures are wrong, MPE video is of an E92, etc...BMW NA should be ashamed of themeselves to publish such poor/misleading information on an official website.

[Tonymiabmw]

Idk was watching Top Gear this weekend.The F10 M5 episode. They pulled up to a e60 for a drag race. The F10 has 2 less cylinders, weights more and is turbo charged. The F10 smoked the e60. I think all you haters are in for a rude awakening. This car is going to be a lot faster than the e9x.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

As I posted earlier, for me, what does not compute is the discrepancy between the different published weights on the US website M3 vs M4 and 6MT vs DCT.

According to the US site:
M3 10lb heavier than M4 (51lb according to BMW)
DCT 55lb heavier than 6MT (89lb according to BMW)

Can we rely on any of the info published on that site

It could be that the differences in equipment on a base M3 vs. a base M4 in the US are not the same as the reference cars BMW used for the figures in the original press release.

To be clear here, I am not talking about the things that show up on the standard equipment list but rather the various (dozens, no doubt) or region-specific assembly differences. I don't have a good concrete example, but it seems plausible nevertheless. Just a thought.

IMO, it is a bunch of rubbish. Various pictures are wrong, MPE video is of an E92, etc...BMW NA should be ashamed of themeselves to publish such poor/misleading information on an official website.

It is the sad state of affairs we've become accustomed to at BMW NA (at least for the US). Regrettable to be sure, but it has honestly been this way for as long as I remember. I suppose when it impacts sales (read: never) they will address it. Not that that is what I personally consider good policy for running a business.

[F82_SID]

The OP sounds like he should by a Lotus Elise or Ariel Atom and call it good. This car is not meant to be a hard core track car like you are asking for. It is meant to be an awesome all around drivers car that you can be comfortable taking it to work every day, AND to the track on the weekends; all while throwing a kids or groceries in the back if you HAVE to.

I personally LIKE that M cars in general are more about handling and sheer driving pleasure without have to sacrifice any creature comforts. For a daily driver, I dont want cardboard floors and no AC. I want heated seats, bluetooth, AND awesome brakes, exhaust, and little body roll.

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

As I posted earlier, for me, what does not compute is the discrepancy between the different published weights on the US website M3 vs M4 and 6MT vs DCT.

According to the US site:
M3 10lb heavier than M4 (51lb according to BMW)
DCT 55lb heavier than 6MT (89lb according to BMW)

Can we rely on any of the info published on that site

IMO, it is a bunch of rubbish. Various pictures are wrong, MPE video is of an E92, etc...BMW NA should be ashamed of themeselves to publish such poor/misleading information on an official website.

Someone asked me earlier why it was so hard to accept that BMW NA's website had errors IRT the m4 and m3. If this stuff has been released via press releases, then it really is not hard to take the correct specs from the source documents and input them into the website.

I just hope that the weights in question are listed incorrectly on the website. The alternative, that they put out bad information in the initial press release, would not be cool to say the least.

[E36toF30]

Originally Posted by mastek

e36m3 was 3,100 lbs.
e30m3 was 2,900 lbs.
Those were not Yugos or Hardcore race cars.
Cmon guys.... a little imagination and optimism can go a long way.

It's completely unreasonable to compare weight to those cars. They're considerably smaller, much less power, less features, and they were developed at a time when safety standards were not nearly as much of a factor.

The fact that BMW managed to drop a considerable amount of weight relative to the E9X is very impressive. Sure, the engine is smaller, but the turbos and inner cooler negate a lot of that savings, plus the stricter safety standards as mentioned.

The only legitimate weight comparisons are against cars developed at the same time. Comparable offerings from Mercedes/Audi/Lexus will no doubt weigh more. Even a new Cayman S PDK is 3131 LB (according to Car and Driver). And that has a lot less power, less space, and no back seat.

[mkoesel]

Have you ever compared the weights listed for a given vehicle at bmwusa.com vs. those at bmw.com? I would highly encourage you to do so. The short answer is that they will not match. The long answer is, well, long. You could start here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=919364

But there is more to than that such as differences in standard equipment from region to region.

Even if the weights listed for the M3 or M4 on bmwusa.com today are wrong, you are most certainly never going to see the number switched to read 3300 lbs because that would be even less correct.

Originally Posted by Patronus86

Someone asked me earlier why it was so hard to accept that BMW NA's website had errors IRT the m4 and m3. If this stuff has been released via press releases, then it really is not hard to take the correct specs from the source documents and input them into the website.

I just hope that the weights in question are listed incorrectly on the website. The alternative, that they put out bad information in the initial press release, would not be cool to say the least.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Have you ever compared the weights listed for a given vehicle at bmwusa.com vs. those at bmw.com? I would highly encourage you to do so. The short answer is that they will not match. The long answer is, well, long. You could start here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=919364

But there is more to than that such as differences in standard equipment from region to region.

Even if the weights listed for the M3 or M4 on bmwusa.com today are wrong, you are most certainly never going to see the number switched to read 3300 lbs because that would be even less correct.

Yup. Weights per region are different. What is on the US BMW website is US Curb weight.

And 3,300 lbs was a marketing exercise. Not reality. (Din weight or some have even reported dry weight)

[solstice]

When I saw the new cars in the flesh they no longer look like M3s. They are to me the new M5 and M6. They look bigger and beefier than an E39 from pretty much every angle. The luxury and tech also easily surpasses an E39 M5. They have little in common with an E30, E36 and E46. In the same way the M5 and M6 to me feel nothing like the M5 and 6s of the past. They do little to hide their massive size, weight and sumptous luxury. They no longer shrink around you to feel like a sports sedan. They are to me M7s in all but name.

I think the M2 will be BMWs true sports car in the spirit of the E30 M3. It will likely even have a four banger just as the E30 M3. The F8Xs are GT cars in looks and appointments but will likely be better on the track than any M5 ever been. 3500 lbs is not terrible for an M5.

[Benjamin]

just looking at a 4 series in person I could tell this car was going to be around 35-3600 pounds. A few options and it might be even more!

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Have you ever compared the weights listed for a given vehicle at bmwusa.com vs. those at bmw.com? I would highly encourage you to do so. The short answer is that they will not match. The long answer is, well, long. You could start here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=919364

But there is more to than that such as differences in standard equipment from region to region.

Even if the weights listed for the M3 or M4 on bmwusa.com today are wrong, you are most certainly never going to see the number switched to read 3300 lbs because that would be even less correct.

Why would 3300 be less correct?

Also, what you say about different countries having different curb weight standards still doesn't explain why BMW NA can't/doesn't enter the correct weight for the M3/M4 that was advertised by BMW.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Patronus86

Why would 3300 be less correct?

In the real world this car was never going to weigh 3,300 lbs. US curb weight was always going to be over 3,500 lbs. Just so happens it is 3,585 lbs. E92 M3 US curb weight was 3,704 lbs on us website.

Most knew this all along. Nothing on that car added up to 300 lbs of weight saving over the 435i. 435i is listed over 3,600 lbs.

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

In the real world this car was never going to weigh 3,300 lbs.

Then why does BMW advertise that weight for the car?

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Patronus86

Then why does BMW advertise that weight for the car?

This dude is projecting

I personally will wait until the cars are actually weighed.

As I said before, Bmw listed the e92 at 3704. Car and driver weighed it under 3550 lbs twice.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

This dude is projecting

I personally will wait until the cars are actually weighed.

As I said before, Bmw listed the e92 at 3704. Car and driver weighed it under 3550 lbs twice.

You guys need to read up on the standards. US curb weight includes driver and luggage. Remove that and the E92 will way below 3550. The advertised weight of 3300 is the weight in Europe without driver. A US spec. base M4 without driver will tip the scale at 33XX lbs. The bmwusa numbers should not be a surprise to anyone. Sure there is some deviation to the euro numbers but it's really minor.

[JustChris]

Excellent an F8X weight thread, not seen this discussed before......