The Turbos+EU5+LiftKit thread

[M2_MEDUSA]

So I got quoted $3,600 for 6 injectors and the lift kit. What does everyone think this seems a bit high…. I guess I see why everyone goes port..

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

So I got quoted $3,600 for 6 injectors and the lift kit. What does everyone think this seems a bit high…. I guess I see why everyone goes port..

Is that including a whole new vacuum pump or just the cam lobe kit? Are they BMW or Bosch brand injectors. Share a pic of your quote.

Parts alone are $2500 from Dorch for the full kit plus a set of injectors. Why not ask mike@x-ph.com for his “best price”?

[M2_MEDUSA]

This is if I provide the injectors and lift kit haha!! He said he’s open to make a deal, but I think Ima just choose a different shop. FCP Euro has the injector kit for $560. All in all it’s about $1960 in parts. What’s a good price just for the labor. Dudes quoting me damn near 27-30 hours lol…

[-Eidos]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

This is if I provide the injectors and lift kit haha!! He said he’s open to make a deal, but I think Ima just choose a different shop. FCP Euro has the injector kit for $560. All in all it’s about $1960 in parts. What’s a good price just for the labor

Which shop and where are you located?

[M2_MEDUSA]

Originally Posted by -Eidos

Which shop and where are you located?

Im located in Texas. Near houston.

[-Eidos]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

Im located in Texas. Near houston.

Ah, I'm not familiar with Houston. Relative to SoCal that quote seems high. Should be well south of $2k.

[M2_MEDUSA]

So what price should I shoot for on the lift kit? $1,000 even?

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

So what price should I shoot for on the lift kit? $1,000 even?

The vacuum pump is under your TMIC and intake manifold, and HPFPs. There’s quite a lot of work. I can’t say what the job should cost alone. I did it with my built engine.

[-Eidos]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

So what price should I shoot for on the lift kit? $1,000 even?

1-2 days of work for a good shop.

[M2_MEDUSA]

Why is it so involved? I can’t comprehend it.

Edit: I wonder what I could achieve with EU5 and stage 3 lpfp instead since a lot of us skip that and just do lift kit EU5. I wonder what the limit would be for EU5+S3 LPFP

[RAT3DM]

If I recall my Dorch HPFP install was around $1400 and was a 12hr job (book time).

[b_w.]

For a car running pump 93/94 what are the power levels where fueling should be upgraded? I will be installing a 4n single turbo kit with the efr 8474 over the winter and will be sticking to pump gas. e85 is not available around my neck of the woods. trying to plan out whether I should be upgrading the fuel system or how far i go. Car is primarily used on the track so its not going to be an all out power build.

[McBobby Jr]

Originally Posted by b_w.

For a car running pump 93/94 what are the power levels where fueling should be upgraded? I will be installing a 4n single turbo kit with the efr 8474 over the winter and will be sticking to pump gas. e85 is not available around my neck of the woods. trying to plan out whether I should be upgrading the fuel system or how far i go. Car is primarily used on the track so its not going to be an all out power build.

Running pump gas should not require any sort of fueling upgrades. You’ll hit the knock resistance threshold before the fueling limits. Here’s a thread to look at, I would message the OP since he’s running the same turbo/turbo kit. https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1985105

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by b_w.

For a car running pump 93/94 what are the power levels where fueling should be upgraded? I will be installing a 4n single turbo kit with the efr 8474 over the winter and will be sticking to pump gas. e85 is not available around my neck of the woods. trying to plan out whether I should be upgrading the fuel system or how far i go. Car is primarily used on the track so its not going to be an all out power build.

Stock fuel system should handle pump or racegas without a problem. If you hit a limit later it’s an easy upgrade to M5 injectors.

[RAT3DM]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

From what i gathered as soon as you begin knocking on the door of 700 thats exactly when the EU5's are at there limit and you begin pulling at straws.

Well after debating on spending more money on my build I decided to abandon the EU5's and just purchased the Nostrum Stage 3 injectors which flow 35% more than the Eu5. Hopefully this resolves any fueling limits.

Originally Posted by heitzke

I've read a lot of mixed things about EU5 vs EU6, from them flowing as low as 10% more, up to 20% more. I should be sitting around that 700 mark, so i'll try to grab a log next time I can and see where the duty cycle actually lands with them. There are a decent number of us hitting ~700's with EU5 through the thread. Around that point you're hitting the limits of what a factory motor wants to do anyway.

Agreed was also sitting at the right below the 700 mark on the Eu5's, which unfortunately failed on me with less than 1000 miles, so now it's built motor time!

Originally Posted by flipm3

Although I don't know all of the intricate differences, I went the Stage 3 Brushless route since it's just so easy...and reliable.

With the standard Stage 3 Brushless, it does add the variable of a secondary pump, which means more hoses that could leak/fail.

The Stage 3 Brushless is easy to install, not fighting an external secondary pump. ECU is happy.

I got my car to over 725whp without LPFP breaking a sweat, running a very appropriate fuel strategy for road course.

Those are really solid numbers and I'm running the Pure Stage 2 HF's as well and made 685/670 without the LPFP, but new setup will include the brushless.

[M2_MEDUSA]

Im switching to upgraded turbos and I already have the eu5 injectors as the full e85 on the eu6 gave me leaky injectors. Thankfully the motor was fine. EU5 are in and car feels great.

Curious if anyone knows what I could get out of the upgraded stage 3 lpfp and EU5 without touching the hpfp. Upgraded lpfp should aid the hpfp. Reason I don’t wanna do the lift kit is its extensive work and my power goal is 680/680. Can I get there ?

[DeezBluBallz]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

Im switching to upgraded turbos and I already have the eu5 injectors as the full e85 on the eu6 gave me leaky injectors. Thankfully the motor was fine. EU5 are in and car feels great.

Curious if anyone knows what I could get out of the upgraded stage 3 lpfp and EU5 without touching the hpfp. Upgraded lpfp should aid the hpfp. Reason I don’t wanna do the lift kit is its extensive work and my power goal is 680/680. Can I get there ?

You will need Port injection for that goal, since you didn't want HPFP.

[n8dgr84]

Originally Posted by M2_MEDUSA

Im switching to upgraded turbos and I already have the eu5 injectors as the full e85 on the eu6 gave me leaky injectors. Thankfully the motor was fine. EU5 are in and car feels great.

Curious if anyone knows what I could get out of the upgraded stage 3 lpfp and EU5 without touching the hpfp. Upgraded lpfp should aid the hpfp. Reason I don’t wanna do the lift kit is its extensive work and my power goal is 680/680. Can I get there ?

Jbonly21 just made 687whp on E40 with EU5 only (I think).

[sdhasher21]

Originally Posted by n8dgr84

Jbonly21 just made 687whp on E40 with EU5 only (I think).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=226S_8YfBGU

That’s awesome. Been following you on YouTube for a bit as well.
What’s the spool been like with the Mosselman turbos compared to stock?

[sly1types]

Originally Posted by n8dgr84

Jbonly21 just made 687whp on E40 with EU5 only (I think).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=226S_8YfBGU

I saw this vid, nice work! What psi was the hpfp at?

I know on the video you said you were happy with that power, but do you think you will do dorch lift kit?

[Wanted_M]

Nice #'s for E40. The last pull looks a little choppy vs your previous runs, where you loosing traction on that run?

[Jbonly21]

Originally Posted by sdhasher21

That’s awesome. Been following you on YouTube for a bit as well.
What’s the spool been like with the Mosselman turbos compared to stock?

Originally Posted by sly1types

I saw this vid, nice work! What psi was the hpfp at?

I know on the video you said you were happy with that power, but do you think you will do dorch lift kit?

Thanks guys appreciate it. The turbos spools faster than stock. As far as upgrading goes I’m just going to leave it as is for now and upgrade as needed.