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Fun fact: No one outside of M-owners care. As someone who's owned "real" M cars and non-M BMWs, they're all different flavors of the same thing. Buy what you like and what's going to suit your needs. If your ego is hurt that badly because now your "Real" M car seems less speshul then you have bigger problems. And making it about the affordability is laughable...I got a major chuckle from that one. The "real" M cars will be the highest performance variants...if that's what you want then buy it. If it's not then who cares. The lower-end M models are still great cars and it all depends on your needs. Real world example: I'm in the market right now for a more fun daily driver and I'm considering the M340i simply because it fits my needs better than an F80 M3 (although comparing across generations might not be fair) but I still want a fun, high performance car. Now if I didn't have a GT3 in the garage then yea I'd probably lean M3. But the point is...who the f*ck cares if I choose an M3 or M340i. It doesn't make either of them less of a car. And back to my first point, 99% of the people on the road don't even think twice about whether you're in a M3 or M340i. To most people, a BMW is a BMW, a Porsche is a Porsche, a Ferrari is a Ferrari, etc. At the end of the day, your M3 is still a high-performance 3-series engineered on the same platform, just like a GT3 is a high-performance Carerra...these cars are more similar than they are different.
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And from a BMW guy only, I must say that GT3 is absolutely amazing. Careful though, that /// fanboy pulling up next to you may balk at your M340i but yet desire your GT3. Ignorance is bliss. |
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Save for maybe one guy on here, I don't think any Mx owner believes their car(s) is hand-built, coach-style, a la Rolls Royce... At the end of the day, the M performance cars are incredibly capable; honestly who cares what they call them; it's all to fluff up sales numbers anyway. I will say, though, stock-for-stock and mod-for-mod, Mx cars will objectively outperform the Mxxx cars of the same generation (not G20 M340i vs F80 M3, but F30 340i vs F80 M3 for example) in 99% of scenarios. That's how BMW designed them, or else why have ///M at all anymore? The argument that if you throw $X amount of money at Y car to make it faster than Z car [in one metric typically] is not a sound argument. With deep enough pockets anything is possible. Everyone should just enjoy the cars they have and not worry about what the other person thinks... life's too short and this shit doesn't matter.
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Yes, the ///M variants will have the highest ceiling, no one here even the MP owners ever questioned that. However, there were some M guys in the thread stating "bespoke" and essence without producing the engineering facts & numbers. Real M guys, the ones who mod their F80's and F10's know what's up and praise the B58 as an engineering achievement. You go to any prominent tuner from VF Engineering to SSR Performance to Gintani they drool to get to work on the M340i/Supra because they know the engineering characteristics inside/out, just as they do Lamborghini's and McClarens on the daily. The article premise is are the MP's worthy of the M performance badge? ///M fanboys balk and say no without producing the engineering specifications. From driving experience and engineering numbers I'd personally say, more importantly BMW says, yes. |
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Who gives a fuck about SEMA anymore? I'd much rather see an average Joe without deep pockets engineer a build than shops with 100000 of sponsors. Cool story though, bro.
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To confirm this is a myth consider this: Bmw lowers numbers for all their cars, why? Some people say due to they don't want to make m3 look underpowered next to m340 with almost same power. But if bmw lower power output for all models then why do it? Don't you think if bmw cars were so much more powerful they would win the market? Isn't it what they want? Regarding m moniker I actually don't mind it. In fact on their site m performance models were already in the m section if you go to let's say 6 series section.
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You also don't know anything about the auto industry (and stay away from it) if you can't acknowledge the most prestigious specialty auto trading event —that's closed to the public— accumulating the auto industry's best engineers... and this coming from an average Joe. https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/08/03/b...g-by-eventuri/ https://www.motor1.com/news/386662/bmw-m3-wagon/amp/ And guess what, Markus said the M340i is an M so go take your beef with him. |
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I've seen those builds and they're top notch. But they're irrelevant to this thread. They've taken every bit of an M car and transplanted into a non M, thus making a fuckin M. What does that have to do with this thread? You're a lost puppy barking like you have a voice, but you don't even own an M or a relevant car in discussion here. And no one has "beef", child. Many of us can debate, disagree and move forward with life. Take notes
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Both can be comfortable and both can be harsh if necessary. One thing I know for sure is that after owning the 335 for about 7 years (e90, 335is and f80), I have realized that there are more differences between the M and MPerformance cars than similarities. The F80 MPerformance is a completely different car from the f80. And as I previously mentioned, you can make the MPerformance faster and louder and you can put in $25k and it will still not be an M. |
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I think people are getting confused between M Performance add-ons versus an M Performance build engineered by the M division. |
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Good comment but I think you overshot the point for M owners giving any added attention to the nomenclature topic. M owners pay attention to topics like these because most non M owners will go out of their way to prove validity to M owners which becomes manaughtness for some odd reason. Any true M owner understands what they bought, has no need for acceptance, and has owned non M cars to have an opinion either way. Its usually not the other way around. True Non M cars are well engineered cars that serve a specific purpose but they do not compare to M cars built for light to heavy track duty. If that was the case BMW as a corporation would not have legitimacy in selling a higher priced car tagged M single digit. |
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