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At the rate I run track events, Sorry that's prohibitively expensive. The best option I see for these is a person who is leasing or trading their car every few years and That way you trade the car in before the brakes need to be replaced. |
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04-21-2015, 07:34 AM | #46 |
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No you won't notice the reduced unsprung weight at all. ceramics are only for lightening your wallet.
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04-21-2015, 07:37 AM | #48 | |
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no the ceramics won't last nearly that long with track use at least not this type of construction.
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Unrelated to the OP, but I don't mind suffering through the blue calipers and brake dust. BMW covers it for 4 years, so I'll let them do just that
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I don't know about that. I noticed the difference when I went from the lighter-weight Style 220M wheels to the slightly heavier Style 359M wheels on my E92M. And the delta between the steel and CCBs on the F80 is greater than the delta between those two wheels.
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I find that next to impossible to believe. I know how many laps were done on the Nurburgring testing those. Was this a long race this guy was in? What tire was he using to generate so much tarmac grip? Could not have been a single day track session. Also, I wish they would stop being compared to Porsche or Ferrari CCB's, they are completely different in all aspects.
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with lighter wheels i have been there and done that and swear up and down they feel lighter but its just a placebo. i thought same thing when i tried friends car with CCW's. swore it felt more freer and could accelerate easier then found out his wheels actually 3 lbs heavier per wheel than my cheapo ones. placebo.
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04-21-2015, 11:43 AM | #58 |
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ok, show me where your lap time improved with ccb's. or show me where you have a faster time 0-whatever with only ccb's being the difference.
oem pads for ccb's are soft...very soft. its so they don't wear through the thin friction layer on the ccb's. i would burn through them in a weekend on a gp track. you can feel the difference well thats good for you. i don't. only difference like i said was they cost more. no choices on pad compound unless you really want to burn up expensive rotors. they are fragile. drop a wheel on the rotor while changing and chip it gotta replace them. go off in kitty litter and they chip gotta replace them. mandatory in porsche super cup and every one of them hate using them. way more expensive to run that standard steels. they aren't even legal in GT3 or GT4 even in 24 hour race. steels hold up just fine and much more durable. no performance benefit otherwise teams that can afford $350K+ euro cars would run them. its certainly not too expensive for them.
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What kind of mentality is that? Just cuz YOU cheaped out on brakes doesnt mean "you don't understand why people buy them! LMAO!!!! The looks, lack of brake dust and stopping power are more than enough reasons for me to buy them.... I dont understand why cheap people have to bash on others.... Just cuz you didnt buy it doesnt make you superior and give you the right to talk down on the community (Your so-called non-hardcore drivers) lmfao dude this is ridiculous
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I suppose it's ironic that CCBs are marketed as a track-oriented option when anecdotal evidence shows that they actually can't hold up to the rigors of tracking nor do they provide much, if any, improvement in feel and lap times while racing. Yet they're much more usable and noticeable on the street.
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04-21-2015, 11:56 AM | #61 | |
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so i switched to PFC rotors and my first outing on the track I had the fastest lap time i ever had on the ring. going back to steels with proper endurance pads RS-29's was very confidence inspiring. however some people claimed that because the brake boost is lower on pccb when switching to steels you have abs become more sensitive. i thought I was getting into ABS more as well after the swap back to steel rotors. anyways it did not affect me but some swear it was very unsettling for them. me personally I would not order another car with ceramics. too many limitations. no measurable benefit. just bling. this was all argued when i was considering ceramics and i still went for them. so to each their own. they certainly look good and on regular street driving the make less dust and will outlast steel rotors. track is too much a compromise if you are serious. YMMV
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You do realize that your wheel and tire alone is almost 50lbs. add in the control arm, hub, lug bolts, bearings etc probably over a 100lbs of unsprung weight. you telling me you notice a 4lb weight savings out of 100lbs per corner going over a pothole???
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Useless info above. |
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They will only replace pads when the pads are at the wear limits or when the CBS info says to. They will only replace the rotors when the rotors are below minimum thickness and they will only do the rotors if the pads are worn down to replacement level at the same time. Good luck trying to burn down pads and rotors together to get a full set replaced under warranty within 50k miles. ( ask me how I know ! ) |
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Dude didn't bash at all. He simply said he can't understand why people that don't track their cars would buy CCB.. Just for the bling factor ? 8k on initial purchase is a lot to pay for less brake dust. ... But hmmm. now that I think about it ... If you don't track your car....maybe he did call you a poseur... |
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