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07-11-2014, 08:44 AM | #46 |
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I think another thing to take into account is the sheer fact that the Audi is the oldest platform by a large margin. I would be curious to see what they have in store for the next Audi A5 platform. I haven't heard anything. They have definitely been milking the A5 for all it is worth.
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The Cayman didn't lose because it needed to be a better track car, it lost because it's still less of an all-around car. |
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P.S. The GTS is still slower (7:53) at the 'Ring than the M4 (7:52) It might "feel" better and be more balanced but it's slower too.
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The Cayman is a more track oriented car, I don't think anyone is arguing that, not in the very least. |
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It really doesn't belong in the comparison period as it's a completely different car. But in reality, everyone loves comparing them so there you have it!
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MMI does look dated. I was designing "multimedia CD-ROM discs" back when you could count the number of Internet nodes on your fingers and toes. Lots of them looked very much Audi's MMI. I don't know what it is, but the designers at Audi have managed to make MMI look like the menu from a DVD sold in the 1990's. Is this subjective? Sure, but I'm a fucking expert (clearly), so my opinion is right (obvs) Quote:
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Again, this is a case of looking at the same thing two different ways. It is true that the S55 makes and holds peak power for longer than any M-engine before it. Is that a bad thing? Well, you lose that building feeling that you get with the S65, but you get more performance. It's fair to say that it rips to redline with incredible ferocity, and it's also fair to say that above 5,500 RPM, there is no increase in power. Quote:
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The P-car has better driver involvement! I can put my kids in the back of the super saloon! Meanwhile, neither camp gives a shit about the other's argument. They're too busy playing the leading role in the blockbuster film that is their own life to take 30 seconds and contemplate why someone else might hold a different viewpoint.
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Of the 3 cars tested - if I needed back seats it's the M4.
But if I didn't it's the Cayman. But I do need back seats so I chose.... a 911. It's BS to say a Cayman isn't an everyday car. I've had one and an E92 M3 and both were great everyday cars, but one was pre-kids and one was after.
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The GT3 is an incredible machine, but from an engineering standpoint I do not think the M4 is inferior in any way. The GT3 is much lighter, and Porsches in general have a lot of rubber for their size. The GT3 has 12 inch wide rears and 9s up front with semi cup tires. So it has the same contact area up front and an extra 4 inches in the rear with less mass so it's going to kill an M4. But say you put 9.5 up front and 11s on the rear with the same compound, and drop 100lbs on the m4 (take out the rear seats, CF hood, CF wheels) it will be much closer to a GT3 (hopefully the CSL is like this). Gt3 will still be quicker b/c it will still have more grip and less mass. Porsches are quick b/c they have wide tires for there size ,just rambling blah blah.
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Forced-induction motors always dominate the in-gear tests, because their torque comes on so low, and a turbocharger's entire life purpose is to generate boost under the exact conditions present in that test: WOT, maximum power demand, extended time under load. The turbo spools up and starts doing its job. Then it's a countdown timer until the intercooler heat soaks and power starts dropping.
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i don't even understand the point in that test. i mean if you are shifting manually, i would think the driver will be in the right gear. if its in automatic mode, i would think the software would be in a decent gear.
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The point of the test is to illustrate the difference in flexibility between two cars. As you can see by that test, the engine in the M4 is a lot more flexible. This means that, for example, if you need to pass someone on the highway, the M4 is able to do that more effortlessly than the Cayman S. That's something that a lot of people care about.
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