07-11-2012, 02:59 AM | #67 |
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But the ratio of M3s sold to 3er or 5ers is so low even a major difference in the efficiency of the M3 up or down will not affect the fleet numbers in any significant fashion. PR/marketing/image are relevant, penalties for fleet average not.
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07-11-2012, 03:01 AM | #68 |
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Really? Lower weight gives you better straight line speed, better handling and performance in the twisties and better fuel efficiency. Higher hp only gives you one of those and hurts another one. Lower weight makes so much more sense for a car like the M3.
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07-13-2012, 08:42 AM | #70 |
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Sold that car sir. I also have a 3 series, and a 2013 GT500.
I am about performance. Not sniffing my own farts And if you look at my other threads, I was in the process of buying a 2011.5 m3 vert and after a few test drives realized it was only a few ticks faster than my E90.. Which is pretty slow. I wanted a big boy car with big boy power. Oh and my evo only weighed in at 2990 with 1/4 tank of gas making 710 awhp. |
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07-13-2012, 09:16 AM | #72 |
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I'm still holding out hope that the M2 will be closer to the E36 and E46 M3's. Of course I've also been patiently waiting for a Z2 for, oh, about a decade now.
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07-18-2012, 02:10 PM | #73 | |
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Lets also not forget that what Porsche has in output from the turbo is far, far from what they can push. The GT2 RS is a 3.6 liter with 620 hp, or 172 hp per liter. They could easily make 600+ hp from that same 3.8 liter with conservative tuning. Their cars dont need all the hp though as they put power down far better than any other manuf. in the industry. |
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Let's really revisit a topic from the past. About 3 years ago I did this rough calculation that BMW could save about 300 lb in the F8X M3 by going to an all CF chassis (read whole thread). Seems like that calculation was very reasonable in comparison to the 286 lb saved in the new CF 7 series chassis. Although this weight difference is not only due to the chassis alone but it is the largest component of the savings. My rough calculation also assumed a nearly complete CF chassis, which clearly is not the case here with the 7 series either. These errors/approximations are both consistent with the <300 lb actual achievement.
7 series info here on CF chassis.
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^ good info
I think the BMW engineers knew how much weight savings was possible with going the current route that the held on on purpose, I would bet that the next one will have a the CF chassis. |
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07-18-2015, 12:24 PM | #82 |
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Been a bit more active here again.
Does the new ride still bring a grin every time you open the door and sit down?
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However, even if the engine is much more potent than the S65, I do find the S55 lacks a little soul. It does not give me the feeling that I am driving something special every time I hop into the car as the S65 did. But paired with thr MPE, the S55 does sound decent enough.
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The M3 lost a small fraction of the weight BMW claimed it would (see post #1). |
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