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Really? Wrangler sucks as a daily driver IMO. It’s not comfortable, it cannot track straight, heavy lean on ALL turns, power is meh and it guzzles gas. I prefer driving my E90 330 to work and back vs my JL. |
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It's not super comfy It doesn't like to track straight at least with stock A/T tires It leans in all turns Power is meh Guzzles gas And, oh yeah, it's fun to drive. Do I like it on 2 hour drives? Not as much as some. Do I want to DD is 365 days a year? No. Is it a great vehicle to switch between with a sports car? Yep
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Anywho....can I just go drive my car now?
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I’m with you, it’s fun, that’s why I bought one too, but no way I’d get one as DD unless my drives were short to non existent like now lol |
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Not sure if some have seen this but its a pretty good vid of the GT3 vs the F8x on the 'ring
What I wonder is, if the GT3 was actually in the lead and if the M3 could keep up.... wonder if the M3 is acting as an 'upper bound' in holding the gt3 back.. FWIW, it is a 997 GT3. so maybe this is what it is.
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GT3 has extra 25hp and loads of other mods F80 has 517PS and other small modifications Obivously F80 in this video better in straights but GT3 is better handling.
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I don't have a lot of experience with 911 but the price point of a GT3 makes me think twice. For example, you could source a good condition McLaren 570s or 650s if you are track focus and it will give you a more exotics car looks. But in terms of daily drive or reliability, Porsche is definitely better. Just my own ideas.
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GT3's aren't good street cars. Tolerable at best to/from the track, between blasts up the rev range or through corners. You never hear that because all of the reviewers are giddy about the engine and enjoy the car for a few hrs at a time on mountain roads.
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but some people are tired of all the dct+turbo setups. Porsche still offers a high rpm NA motor that can be paired with a manual. plus the Porsche reliability, dealer network, and even the forum knowledge in regard to DIY stuff are a step above McLaren. you also have to factor in value retention. GT3 may be expensive, but you will get a good chunk of money back on your sale. Many 2018 GT3s are still asking close to MSRP after 6-7k miles. meanwhile you can find 1 year old 600LTs for 60-80k off with the same miles or less.
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The F80 has done it in 7:52. The M3 CS and M4 CS have done the ring in 7:38
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That 997 gt3 tested on modern MPSC2 tires would likely pull a ~7:40. Not saying it's faster than the CS, just that you need to account for tires.
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Congratulations to OP, just came across this thread. Absolutely gorgeous. I love my M4 more than anything, it's my realistic dream car. But if the right Porsche comes along at the right price... hate to say it but I'm going to convert too. Especially given the hideous G M4 renders :
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That being said, I did consider a 570s or 650s instead of the GT3 since they're awesome to drive. However, realistically, you have to assume $8-$10K per YEAR in maintenance and warranty costs for the life of the car once it's out of the factory warranty. They are more reliable than they were from the original MP4-12C era, but should shit break, you're in for a nasty surprise- any minor repair is literally $3-5K. Plus all work really has to be done at a dealer because McLaren won't allow independent shops to buy parts. I'm in Atlanta, so there's a McLaren dealer here, but if you're in, say, Topeka, KS, you have to ship the damn thing for repairs. This is probably why you don't see a lot of "long term" McLaren owners. On the flip side, Porsche's are generally very reliable and well built. Maintenance on my GT3 is really no different than an F8X. An oil change every 5k miles and spark plugs recommended every 10K miles. That's basically it. I just had an oil change service, brake fluid flush (due to age of my car) and spark plugs replaced and it was $600 at an indy using Motul fluids. I don't even think an oil change is that cheap on a 650s. Quote:
That being said, if I had to daily drive a long distance (say more than 20 miles) and sit in traffic for an hour each way, I'd definitely have chosen a 911 GTS; it has the (way) quieter ride, available radar cruise control, heated cooled seats, blind spot monitors, yada yada. But I'm fortunate to have been able to work from home for the past several years so a commute is of zero concern. Quote:
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Road noise definitely falls into the severe category, especially at highway speeds. Tire swap could make some difference, but not much. Not that you buy a GT3 for the radio but even the upgraded system can't compete with the cabin noise. Visibility back isn't great. In/out with buckets is fine provided you're fit. But good luck convincing wife or normal person it's something they'd want to do on the regular. (Sofas much easier I'm sure.) Agree that ride quality is good for what it is. For normal daily driving purposes or a highway trip with little opportunity to enjoy the performance of the car, you'd rather be in almost anything else -- GTS, Honda minivan, whatever. Once the initial excitement of owning any car wears off, it tends to fall into use patterns according to its strengths. I grab the GT3 keys for a weekend blast on empty roads, or to the track. Great engine though .
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Mine has sofa seats, so they're great. Buckets, totally agree- no thanks as a daily. In and out took some getting used to because the car is far lower than any M3. Stereo, 100% agree and it's something I'm going to need to address. I don't really care that much about sound quality in this car, but the sound package plus is painfully awful. The .2's got a Bose option, but in the .1, SPP was the max you could get. |
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Have found that when I keep the revs between 7-9k I don't notice anything else.
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congrats! I drove a 911 turbo once and man.......that thing was a beast!
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Most people in my little circle of friends aims for a GT4 (718) or GT3 (991.2/992) sooner or later. I was... kind of in that circle, even really searched start of this year but I stopped half way for the primary reason of, I do not like used cars. No matter how tempting. I am far too OCD for used cars. There are clear trade offs between these two types of cars. I get rid of one, I'd regret losing the other. I cannot do both as I would need a daily... soo instead of trying to choose between a GT3 or F80, I just decided not to decide and grab a Macan GTS instead because screw that boring X3M Comp.
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I cross-shopped with 458/Huracan/etc. but actually went against those options because of the attention. My GT-R was a magnet for all ages and it got old quite fast. I like the GT3 because aside from being loud, most people don't know the difference between 911s. I have the full buckets and after a spine surgery in January, they can be a literal pain on longer drives. I know there's a company in the aftermarket that makes some of the inserts with significant padding, but would like to see some in person first. Glad you're enjoying it!
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