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Awesome numbers. Is this with the consideration that 3 pedal cars should have less drivetrain loss thus making higher whp? Unless this is not true for the F8x Ms
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Not sure if BMS has posted their logs, but a boost source isn't easy to get to on these engines. We'll have a nozzle plumbed on the next M3 coming in so it can be embedded into the graph.
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decisions, decisions, very nice write up! getting harder in resisting temptation to put in an order
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06-27-2014, 09:53 PM | #74 |
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wow. the width on the m3 looks so much more prevalent compared to the m4. one thing that i noticed that gives this perception is how the rear side of the rear doors get abruptly cut off by the fender's bulge. its not a gradual cut off
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06-27-2014, 10:12 PM | #75 |
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The cars look good.
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06-27-2014, 10:29 PM | #76 |
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These particular results assume equal drivetrain losses between the cars. Although this technically isn't true, it is obvious from prior real world performance numbers (E9X M3, F10 M5, etc.), that there are solid performance gains despite some additional losses for the mechatronics. If you think about how much power is required to move a clutch and move a syncro it surely isn't much power, regardless of being moved by a human or by hydraulics. Yes the M-DCT system moves those parts very fast but still, very little power is required. Thus I believe the losses are only insignificantly higher in the M-DCT.
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looks like someone needs to learn how to put an allen wrench all the way inside the stud before pulling the trigger
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Do you know how to read? All specs published 12/13 seem spot on. 3,300 is one of several weights given. You need to be careful with generalizations. Note US curb weight for DCT is listed at 3,585 - 3,595.
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weight specs seem to be as advertised and power specs appear to be underrated... Damn you are a tough cat to please! Still I dig on what you are saying... 35xx pretty much = 3600 lbs.. The F8x are lighter and more powerful than E9X ... but absolute lightness is far preferred. As much as I love the V8 in the E9x and as amazing as the F8x are.... they are still heavy cars.. I am curious to see how much lighter the M2 can be versus the 1M.... With liberal usage of CFRP like the driveshaft and also a roof.... it could really be something special... like the 1M! Perhaps if they come up with just under 3100 lbs for a manual and underrate the power.. maybe they'll make something that excites you... LOL Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 06-28-2014 at 01:54 AM.. |
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So, when the M2 spec is announced and they say it is 3100 lbs DIN/EU (ha!) and 3300 lbs US spec (also ha!), I'm already expecting the reality to be significantly off from the specs. Sorry to bring the M2 into this. I realize it isn't relevant to this thread, so carry on. |
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06-28-2014, 01:55 AM | #87 |
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You have a point there. The power is certainly higher than the specs would have us believe but personally I would trade weight savings for power. These cars are straight line fast enough but could benefit in a lot of ways from dropping some more pounds.
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06-28-2014, 02:05 AM | #88 | |
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BMW quoted 3,585 which is pretty much dead on. If you don't like the weight of the car, that's fine then buy something else. There is no BMW conspiracy here... only people misinterpreting and misreading measurements that are done differently in different markets. But wait... BMW says 3,585 and EAS get 3,579... you are right! Misleading!
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