Another engine oil thread. Castrol Edge/Pennzoil/ Liqui Moly?

[masayoshi]

Originally Posted by edycol

Yes. I didn’t know he is in Japan. Any oil with approval LL01 and MB229.5 will be better than BMW TPT 0W30 LL01FE.
Mobil 1 0W40
Shell Helix Ultra 5W40
Castrol Edge 0W40
Motul X-Cess 5W40 GEN2

[I Luv BMW]

Originally Posted by edycol

Castrol Edge 0W40 API SN hands down.
If Mobil1 is still SN, than it is toss up.

Ok so looks like stores are not carrying Edge 0w40 API SN anymore. Damn. Only API SP now.

Revised recommendations from the below for the s63tu now?

1. Castrol edge 0w40 API SP (per image)

2. Mobil1 0w40 API SP. https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/...re/676976.html

3. Mobil1 0w40 API SN. https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/...re/627876.html

4. Motul xcess 5w40. https://old.motul.com/au/en/products/8100-x-cess-5w40


I’m thinking it has to be the Mobil1 0w40 API SN now?

[SE7EN335]

Originally Posted by I Luv BMW

Ok so looks like stores are not carrying Edge 0w40 API SN anymore. Damn. Only API SP now.

Revised recommendations from the below for the s63tu now?

1. Castrol edge 0w40 API SP (per image)

2. Mobil1 0w40 API SP. https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/...re/676976.html

3. Mobil1 0w40 API SN. https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/...re/627876.html

4. Motul xcess 5w40. https://old.motul.com/au/en/products/8100-x-cess-5w40


I’m thinking it has to be the Mobil1 0w40 API SN now?

Can you show us what the new Castrol Edge 0w40 API SP packaging looks like?

Mobil 1 0w40 API SN has 1.34% sulfated ash which is really high for DI engines like the s55. I personally wouldn't run that long term since it can lead to carbon build-up

Out of the list, I would run Castrol Edge 0w40 API SN (or SP) or Mobil 1 0w40 API SP.

I personally run Penrite Ten Tenths Premium 0w40 in my S58.

https://penriteoil.com.au/products/1...full-synthetic

You can also buy BMW M TwinPower 0w40 from Clickable Automotive in Victoria. That is one of the best oils you can put into the S63tu. It has similar viscosity specs to the Mobil 1 0w40 API SN and has much better base stock than any other big brand oils out there.

https://clickableautomotive.com.au/p...power-0w-40-1l

[I Luv BMW]

Originally Posted by SE7EN335

Can you show us what the new Castrol Edge 0w40 API SP packaging looks like?

Mobil 1 0w40 API SN has 1.34% sulfated ash which is really high for DI engines like the s55. I personally wouldn't run that long term since it can lead to carbon build-up

Out of the list, I would run Castrol Edge 0w40 API SN (or SP) or Mobil 1 0w40 API SP.

I personally run Penrite Ten Tenths Premium 0w40 in my S58.

https://penriteoil.com.au/products/1...full-synthetic

You can also buy BMW M TwinPower 0w40 from Clickable Automotive in Victoria. That is one of the best oils you can put into the S63tu. It has similar viscosity specs to the Mobil 1 0w40 API SN and has much better base stock than any other big brand oils out there.

https://clickableautomotive.com.au/p...power-0w-40-1l

Yep here is the new Castrol Edge 0w40 API SP packaging. Interested in your thoughts lj how the API SP compares with API SN.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by I Luv BMW

Ok so looks like stores are not carrying Edge 0w40 API SN anymore. Damn. Only API SP now.

Revised recommendations from the below for the s63tu now?

1. Castrol edge 0w40 API SP (per image)

2. Mobil1 0w40 API SP. https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/...re/676976.html

3. Mobil1 0w40 API SN. https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/...re/627876.html

4. Motul xcess 5w40. https://old.motul.com/au/en/products/8100-x-cess-5w40


I’m thinking it has to be the Mobil1 0w40 API SN now?

I doesn’t has to be. You are talking higest quality oils. It is really exercise in which 18 yrs old single malt whisky you will choose.
So, that being said, if you go M1 API SN you will eventually not being able to buy it. That is old stash.
Any of three API SP you choose are excellent. Pick your poison. Try all three and see how they “feel.”

[SE7EN335]

Originally Posted by I Luv BMW

Yep here is the new Castrol Edge 0w40 API SP packaging. Interested in your thoughts lj how the API SP compares with API SN.

Ah yep that's definitely the new API SP.

The only difference I can find from the specs of the Castrol Edge 0w40 API SN to its API SP version is that there's increased viscosity CCS at -35 degrees celsius and worse pour point, indicating that the API SP has less PAO content and worse cold flowing characteristics than the API SN

[edycol]

Originally Posted by SE7EN335

Ah yep that's definitely the new API SP.

The only difference I can find from the specs of the Castrol Edge 0w40 API SN to its API SP version is that there's increased viscosity CCS at -35 degrees celsius and worse pour point, indicating that the API SP has less PAO content and worse cold flowing characteristics than the API SN

Definitely less PAO. They are using AN’s which is not bad at all.

[I Luv BMW]

Originally Posted by edycol

Definitely less PAO. They are using AN’s which is not bad at all.

So in practical terms, would less PAO / worse cold flow characteristics only have any real impact where the car is driven in sub-zero degree celsius temps?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by I Luv BMW

So in practical terms, would less PAO / worse cold flow characteristics only have any real impact where the car is driven in sub-zero degree celsius temps?

It is still 0W oil. Pour point is practically irrelevant unless you live in Purdhoe Bay Alaska or some similar place.
The oil still passes CCS (cold cranking viscosity) test at -35c to be 0W.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/coldcrank....%20start%20up.

[ericold]

by the way ,concerning viscosity,when people often talk about grades and viscosity and the usual thin vs thick, they use the phrase ,''a 13 viscosity will be 12 in a month'' ''its too thin probably ''

they dont know that thin or thick is specified by hths,..by that, do they mean that its grade goes down 1 point permanently or its hths? i know hths means temporay shera so is it the first explanation ? do oils get thinner,loosing viscosity so soon?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by ericold

by the way ,concerning viscosity,when people often talk about grades and viscosity and the usual thin vs thick, they use the phrase ,''a 13 viscosity will be 12 in a month'' ''its too thin probably ''

they dont know that thin or thick is specified by hths,..by that, do they mean that its grade goes down 1 point permanently or its hths? i know hths means temporay shera so is it the first explanation ? do oils get thinner,loosing viscosity so soon?

HTHS goes down too. The question is how much. We don’t know that as each oil shears differently.

[NoorSinghJohal]

edycol

My car has upgraded turbos and runs on e85 - catless. I was going to run liqui moly 5w30 for my car but Kratos recommended against that.

So I purchased motul 300v 5w30. I know that this oil has shorter oil life and is not LL approved. Would this be the recommended oil for my high hp catless setup.

From my understanding the bmw certifications and LL is to conform to emission standards / catalytic converter efficiency. Is this accurate?

I plan on changing the oil every 1500-2k miles.

Thanks in advance

[edycol]

Originally Posted by NoorSinghJohal

edycol

My car has upgraded turbos and runs on e85 - catless. I was going to run liqui moly 5w30 for my car but Kratos recommended against that.

So I purchased motul 300v 5w30. I know that this oil has shorter oil life and is not LL approved. Would this be the recommended oil for my high hp catless setup.

From my understanding the bmw certifications and LL is to conform to emission standards / catalytic converter efficiency. Is this accurate?

I plan on changing the oil every 1500-2k miles.

Thanks in advance

I would run 300V 5W40. Check High Performance Lubricants BAS 5W40 or Euro 5W40.
300V is compliant with catalytic converters. And LL01 and LL04 are not fuel efficiency rated oils.
So, key is: do you track car or not. LL01 is better if you don’t track car or track little. Street oils have additives that are more suitable for short trips, lower oil temperatures etc. They do their intended job better regardless whether your engine is tuned or not. If you are in doubt, I personally would run HPL Euro 5W40.

[OilyGoys]

Had to join this forum just for this thread. Howdy!

Let me see if I can't fail miserably at this: I want high HTHS, but not too high. I want low kinematic viscosity at 100C. And I want mid SAPS.

Yay, nay?

Regarding Castrol Edge Euro Car, if I got to their website and product lookup, HTHS isn't listed on that particular product data sheet for their newest bottles.

[n8dgr84]

Originally Posted by OilyGoys

Had to join this forum just for this thread. Howdy!

Let me see if I can't fail miserably at this: I want high HTHS, but not too high. I want low kinematic viscosity at 100C. And I want mid SAPS.

Yay, nay?

Regarding Castrol Edge Euro Car, if I got to their website and product lookup, HTHS isn't listed on that particular product data sheet for their newest bottles.

Depends on your application and mods.

Street cars not running ethanol will be 100% fine with LL-01 for 5k mi.
I would advise 5w40 because the S55 tends to shear the oil down to a 30 weight anyway.

If you run ethanol, go for Motul XCess Gen 2 5w40 or Pennzoil Euro 5w40 for 2-3k mi.

If you run ethanol on street and track, consider HPL 5w40, Redline 5w40, 300V Competition 5w40. Change every 2k mi.

[jywolfe]

Originally Posted by edycol

Definitely less PAO. They are using AN’s which is not bad at all.

Very interested in the ANs. I'm pretty invested in the SN version of the CE 0w40, but it's a stash now since it's scarce; down to 45 quarts. Just received 60 quarts of the new SP ($4.33/quart) version and I'm wondering how you identified the ANs. I see the reduction in PAOs and pour point, but didn't pick up on the ANs. TIA

[///M4Lou]

Paging Edycol - couple of questions:

1) you mentioned TPT 5w-30 was undergoing a change or new manufacturer (to/from shell or castrol). Did that happen and is new TPT 5w-30 still a solid option/high HTHS??

2) One of the posters had asked if you can leave old filter in if you do frequent changes - reason why I ask is that if/when my X3Mc gets 10k service AND if/when they refuse to put TPT 5w-30 in (I get low HTHS TPT 0-30), can I just dump oil and leave that filter/from service in...? What if I dump the 0w-30 and put in gen2/8100/x-cess 5w-40??

Thanks - and thanks for all of your help here.


Editing this: from what I can find, the 0-30 has a HTHS of 3.1 and 5-30 is 3.5 (both TPT).

[n8dgr84]

Originally Posted by M4Lou

Paging Edycol - couple of questions:

1) you mentioned TPT 5w-30 was undergoing a change or new manufacturer (to/from shell or castrol). Did that happen and is new TPT 5w-30 still a solid option/high HTHS??

2) One of the posters had asked if you can leave old filter in if you do frequent changes - reason why I ask is that if/when my X3Mc gets 10k service AND if/when they refuse to put TPT 5w-30 in (I get low HTHS TPT 0-30), can I just dump oil and leave that filter/from service in...? What if I dump the 0w-30 and put in gen2/8100/x-cess 5w-40??

Thanks - and thanks for all of your help here.


Editing this: from what I can find, the 0-30 has a HTHS of 3.1 and 5-30 is 3.5 (both TPT).

Won't be a problem to keep the oil filter in for 10k mi. Mixing oils is fine, especially if it's from the same maker as the additive packages and formulas will be compatible.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by n8dgr84

Won't be a problem to keep the oil filter in for 10k mi. Mixing oils is fine, especially if it's from the same maker as the additive packages and formulas will be compatible.

Unless they are not compatible from brand to brand. Me personally, I change the filter 1x BETWEEN oil changes. Leaving it is, well, backwards.

[HotRodM4]

I’m consider switching from Motul 5W-40 to Motul 8100 X-MAX 0W-40 next oil change.

I’m assuming the 0W will be better since it’s about to be winter here in NY. I see LL01 on their bottle.

[1heckinboi]

Originally Posted by gurvir44

I ended up buying this, so far it clears really well and doesn’t protrude past the skid plate. Haven’t used the drain yet but will update soon. I bought the t9 version

I finally swapped out my Stahlbus for the Femco and it's pretty nice. I wasn't overly concerned about the Stahlbus hitting anything and it definitely hasn't, but with the Femco there's no concern at all, something we all want at the end of the day lol

[n8dgr84]

Originally Posted by HotRodM4

I’m consider switching from Motul 5W-40 to Motul 8100 X-MAX 0W-40 next oil change.

I’m assuming the 0W will be better since it’s about to be winter here in NY. I see LL01 on their bottle.

I wouldn't worry about that for New York.
Maybe If you had an xdrive in Alaska or Minnesota.