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And let's not forget that all of the switches, indicators, buttons etc could towards this percentage. Almost every part that relates directly to performance in any way is new or modified.
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06-20-2014, 12:20 PM | #884 |
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I definately think there's room today for BMW to take the M cars a lot further in terms of being "hard core" and I wish they did. I understand people who want the car to be very fast while being driveable and comfortable but today the top end of the AG cars are just that whether it's a 550i, 650i, 335i or X5/X6 5.0. Very fast, very comfortable cars. With the right tune they become monsters. With M-Sport and after market exhausts they even look and sound like M cars. Sure the Ms take everything up a notch, especially handling but at some point it becomes a bit silly to retain the AG cars virtues to the expense of Motorsport and it would IMO be a more complete lineup if the M cars were more like Porsches GT cars. In the days of the E30, E36 and E46 the AG cars weren't really that powerful and it made more sense with the M concept of a very good DD first and race character 2nd.
The AG and M cars are now a lot closer in terms of performance that you practically use on the street than yesteryears. It's not mainly because the M cars are softer or relatively slower but because the AG cars are relatively much faster. The S65 was a clear differentiator in the E9X which was a good move taken the abilities of the 335i. Last edited by solstice; 06-20-2014 at 12:36 PM.. |
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50% is a good guess. According to BMW themselves, it is typical of their M-cars to have around 50% modified/unique components vs. the series models.
Not sure about the F8x, but the E9x M3 had "more than 80%" specific components, per BMW. No doubt the S65 engine had a lot to do with it.
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From the Evo review (and this certainly is not the only one noting some "softness up top"): Quote:
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Either way I firmly stand behind my reply as 100% appropriate to the one I replied to. One should seek correlation of the measurements and observations. The measurements directly from BMW for the engine are entirely consistent with the observations from Evo.
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I appreciate your perspective. I think I may have a different definition of frenetic. The S65 is basically a classic N/A race engine and totally acts like one. From the deep rumbling cold start, the engine's revs bob up and down on idle. Sometimes when you get going cold, the engine stutters a bit and you have to tap the throttle just to keep it from sputtering out. Then you disengage the clutch at the first stop sign (at least with the MT), tons of clacking as the clutch is depressed. You get on your way again, takes ~10 minutes for the oil to warm up to operating temperature as you slowly wait for the "all clear" on red limiter for the full 8600 rpm. Then you take the car in the twistys, hitting 6k-8.6k RPM, WOT, you brake into the turn and the engine and driveline help slow and "coil" the car up like a spring compressing, you throttle blip, downshift, then hit the throttle, instant response, the car springs out of its coil in a frenetic endless rush to redline. The howling intake noise dominating all sound gobbling up air rushing through the airbox and engine. Then you ease off the throttle and get back on, the car lurches in a hypersensitive fashion, trying to decide if you want to gun it again or pull back. You decide to pull back and you can hear the distinctive "whirring" of the valves working, the sound bouncing off the wall you're driving by with the windows rolled down.
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The S55 dawns a new era for the M3, it'll be interesting how this unfolds.
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There's plenty of those reviews in the compilation thread. I know you know how to use the search function, knock yourself out. |
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That being said, I believe I have read very nearly all of the initial reviews and not one said that it has a similar engine character to the S65, which surely any rational person will agree is linear power and totally frenetic in the upper rpms all the way to redline. If the S55 "pulls hard to redline" then in comparison the S65 must have a built in nitrous like effect in the upper rpms...
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Well considering based off the power graphs and gearing, the optimum shift point is 7300 RPM (which is 300 RPM short of redline, I'll give you that), keeps in the max power band, that doesn't really sound like it "falls flat" above 5500.
Of course, you've taken part in those threads where that 7300 number was calculated, so there's no point in rehasing that, is there? |
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Yours really was an excellent example of a frenetic/raw engine/drivetrain - and quite frankly beyond what I expect in a road-going car. The idea that clutch-in while cold could cause it to sputter out unless you give is a bit of throttle? That's a bit of carburetor era I don't miss and don't expect in a highly advanced engine in a street car. It's funny, some of the stuff you described sounds familiar and grandiose and enjoyable. While other stuff, such as the clutch clacking and some mechanical noises I've found I no longer enjoy. |
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Have you driven a GTR? I think you would absolutely hate it. Tons of mechanical albeit badass noise, but it's what convinced me that the M4 was a better choice for my needs.
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Richard Hammond is quite thrilled.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/mo...anages-3725985" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.mirror.co...es-3725985</a> |
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