Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by R N M

Amazing design elements from BMW - just look at this red hot Ebay grill special edition!

Is this real?

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Is this real?

Is it ugly, tasteless, and from BMW?

Then yes

[Arcades]

So many of these models from BMW seems so silly lol.

Found out that apparently the V6 that is in the Lotus is the Toyota's V6. So... iuno if that is good or bad...

Rennlist people are mentioning about Lotus reliability issues although it isn't like Porsche hasn't made mistakes with 718 and 911 recently either lol.

Also remembered that Lotus got a huge injection of $$ from some company recently that may have helped them overcome stuff so... maybe this is the time to do it. I was reading up on Mitsubishi and it made me sad. Going from Evo and 3000 GT to two big controversies, yikes.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

So many of these models from BMW seems so silly lol.

Found out that apparently the V6 that is in the Lotus is the Toyota's V6. So... iuno if that is good or bad...

Rennlist people are mentioning about Lotus reliability issues although it isn't like Porsche hasn't made mistakes with 718 and 911 recently either lol.

Also remembered that Lotus got a huge injection of $$ from some company recently that may have helped them overcome stuff so... maybe this is the time to do it. I was reading up on Mitsubishi and it made me sad. Going from Evo and 3000 GT to two big controversies, yikes.

I'm not up to speed on this. What happened?

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Arcades

So many of these models from BMW seems so silly lol.

Found out that apparently the V6 that is in the Lotus is the Toyota's V6. So... iuno if that is good or bad...

Rennlist people are mentioning about Lotus reliability issues although it isn't like Porsche hasn't made mistakes with 718 and 911 recently either lol.

Also remembered that Lotus got a huge injection of $$ from some company recently that may have helped them overcome stuff so... maybe this is the time to do it. I was reading up on Mitsubishi and it made me sad. Going from Evo and 3000 GT to two big controversies, yikes.

It's the "Camry" V6 with a blower on it, what could possibly go wrong. Likely, nothing.

The company is Geely, also owns Volvo.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Arcades

So many of these models from BMW seems so silly lol.

Found out that apparently the V6 that is in the Lotus is the Toyota's V6. So... iuno if that is good or bad...

Rennlist people are mentioning about Lotus reliability issues although it isn't like Porsche hasn't made mistakes with 718 and 911 recently either lol.

Also remembered that Lotus got a huge injection of $$ from some company recently that may have helped them overcome stuff so... maybe this is the time to do it. I was reading up on Mitsubishi and it made me sad. Going from Evo and 3000 GT to two big controversies, yikes.

Same Toyota sourced engine from the Evora, supercharged 3.5L. Actually a really good sounding engine, had many great reviews in the Evora. Obviously reliable since it is from Toyota. Lotus got a big influx of cash from Chinese investors, including all new state of the art factory. Rennlister's always seem to gloss over Porsche reliability issues, including most recent 4.0L stop sale. Honestly going on looks alone, the only 718 I would take over the Emira is the GT4. The rest of the 718 lineup look like hairdresser cars. 981 lower end models looked much better.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm not up to speed on this. What happened?

From what I know and read,

late 90s, Mitsubishi's SUV and Truck division was caught hiding defaults and problems with their trucks. These trucks are mainly from the Asian countries that you don't see around here in the States. It wasn't just one of those, a few years thing, they been hiding the problem since late 70s. Then I think mid to late 2000s, they admitted to falsifying fuel economy on their cars, which was the last straw that lead to them being scooped up by Renault-Nissan.

Up until that point, they were the 3rd largest car company with Mazda being 4th but apparently they always had money trouble, which is why their car interior seems to be lacking. Even the end of the Evo 10 had interiors that was basically worse than a Nissan at that time which says something.

But Mitsubishi, the company, is larger than just the car company. I think, they have many divisions like Samsung but didn't have the cash flow for the car company. I remember reading a long time ago regarding the falsifying fuel economy, didn't know about the trucks and suv issues.

[RugbyBro]

So a little off topic, but may find a home here due to admiration for the Giulia:

Just had some guy winding his exhaust modified Giulia QuattroFormaggio out in 2nd gear down Westlake in Seattle (central area, lots of people just hanging out walking… I was eating dinner outdoors), and man… I just do not think they sound good. Or put another way, I struggle to say that it sounds better than a stock F80 - there are much better sounding turbo V6s (and 6 cylinders in general) out there. The kicker was he ripped a downshift into 1st and it was an insanely pathetic sounding smoothed out downshift from the ZF, not crisp in the slightest like a proper rev match from a manual or DCT. I was sitting there thinking about the ZF:



Just to be clear, this isn’t a rip on the Giulia, just an observation about one aspect of it and some dude being a complete door knob in public. I still want to drive one at some point and understand the hype

[ash4390]

Originally Posted by Arcades

So many of these models from BMW seems so silly lol.

Found out that apparently the V6 that is in the Lotus is the Toyota's V6. So... iuno if that is good or bad...

Rennlist people are mentioning about Lotus reliability issues although it isn't like Porsche hasn't made mistakes with 718 and 911 recently either lol.

Also remembered that Lotus got a huge injection of $$ from some company recently that may have helped them overcome stuff so... maybe this is the time to do it. I was reading up on Mitsubishi and it made me sad. Going from Evo and 3000 GT to two big controversies, yikes.

They've been running toyota engines for both the Elise, Exige, and Evora... don't see anybody complaining with those

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

I still want to drive one at some point and understand the hype

The hype is real, Definitely find the time to drive one (that's already broken in for maximum fun). The car just feels so alive and eager, incredibly rewarding. Even the Stelvio QV as well as their 4-Cylinder base models are fantastic.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

The hype is real, Definitely find the time to drive one (that's already broken in for maximum fun). The car just feels so alive and eager, incredibly rewarding. Even the Stelvio feels amazing.

I know a girl who has one. I'm going drive one and see if it lives up to the hype.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

So a little off topic, but may find a home here due to admiration for the Giulia:

Just had some guy winding his exhaust modified Giulia QuattroFormaggio out in 2nd gear down Westlake in Seattle (central area, lots of people just hanging out walking… I was eating dinner outdoors), and man… I just do not think they sound good. Or put another way, I struggle to say that it sounds better than a stock F80 - there are much better sounding turbo V6s (and 6 cylinders in general) out there. The kicker was he ripped a downshift into 1st and it was an insanely pathetic sounding smoothed out downshift from the ZF, not crisp in the slightest like a proper rev match from a manual or DCT. I was sitting there thinking about the ZF:

Just to be clear, this isn’t a rip on the Giulia, just an observation about one aspect of it and some dude being a complete door knob in public. I still want to drive one at some point and understand the hype

A. You should totally go and test-drive one! If only for the data point.
B. The ZF gearbox was the primary reason I didn't trade my F82.

The transmission tuning is pretty aggressive, to the extent that it's actually quite hard to brake to a standstill in traffic smoothly. But it has nowhere near the emotional feel that I get from an F82 DCT shifting in 'S3'.

(note - I consider S3 borderline dangerous on a track because WOT upshifts will unseat the rear end of the car even in a straight line!)

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I know a girl who has one. I'm going drive one and see if it lives up to the hype.

I did a few years back.

My problem with it during that time was two things. I didn't trust the brakes enough and the ZF tranny in those cars are not as good as BMW.

The brakes were annoyingly inconsistent, the feedback on those were just not there. Could have changed since then.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I did a few years back.

My problem with it during that time was two things. I didn't trust the brakes enough and the ZF tranny in those cars are not as good as BMW.

The brakes were annoyingly inconsistent, the feedback on those were just not there. Could have changed since then.

The 'fly-by-wire' braking system is definitely a bit strange - and there have been several software changes. Also ppl report that changing pads makes a big difference.

The ZF I found to be more pleasant than the tuning in the XM4 ... but the downside was that it tended to fight against the brakes. The engine sounds were definitely an improvement.

I think that my overall impression was that is was just a bit too 'edgy' to be comfortable. When I back off a little in my F82 everything immediately goes calm and sedate, but when I back off a little in the Giulia QV, things still feel really twitchy unless you leave the car in 'comfort' mode.

[pbar]

Apparently the 'joke red grills' are not a joke:

https://www.slashgear.com/2022-bmw-x...ling-12682057/



They are official BMW limited edition tacky red plastic.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by pbar

Apparently the 'joke red grills' are not a joke:

https://www.slashgear.com/2022-bmw-x...ling-12682057/



They are official BMW limited edition tacky red plastic.

They literally took an X5, painted it a normal matte black, added some boring rims and highlighted the slats red. How in the world is this a special edition? Literally anyone without taste could easily mod this.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

They literally took an X5, painted it a normal matte black, added some boring rims and highlighted the slats red. How in the world is this a special edition? Literally anyone without taste could easily mod this.

And "only" 350 of these will be available in the US!

My god... I find it hard to imagine there are that many tasteless suckers even in a country with a population of 350m.

[FlyingLow78]

Originally Posted by pbar

And "only" 350 of these will be available in the US!

My god... I find it hard to imagine there are that many tasteless suckers even in a country with a population of 350m.

What’s all this “one in a million” talk?

[rmanm4]

Originally Posted by _M4CHINE_

I got banned from the G8X forums too! Nothing other than little jokes about it's dental emergency. I haven't figured it out for months and I sent Jason a message informing me only that I was banned. With multiple follow up messages sent thereafter for an explanation I received nothing in return. Doing my research… banned if you say something that does not flow with their positive vibes. I didn't know this was censored like China.

I truly wonder how many of them wake up every morning and ask themselves:

"WTF was I thinking buying this ugly thing?"

or

"No...its not that bad"

[Humdizzle]

i'm indifferent about the camry engine. what else is lotus gonna do make their own engine ? probably not something you want.

Its a bit of a different than what toyota did on the supra and 86. They definitely could have built their own motors but they chose to cheap out and use someone elses.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i'm indifferent about the camry engine. what else is lotus gonna do make their own engine ? probably not something you want.

Its a bit of a different than what toyota did on the supra and 86. They definitely could have built their own motors but they chose to cheap out and use someone elses.

It beats not having any option at all
Even the 4cyl AMG engine is really strong.

[swagon]

Lotus has always sourced powertrains from others. Original Seven had a Ford-derived unit. I think throughout the 70s till early 90s, they had their own engines in the S1-S4 Esprits, incl. the V8. But ever since then, it's been either a Rover, Toyota or Honda engine. Gearboxes from all sorts of places, etc.

Y'all gotta remember they're a relatively tiny company that's been through a lot of financial shit and I'm actually impressed they're still in business. Not even 2,000 employees.