Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

Edmunds says dealer retail is $61018 in clean condition, $63808 in outstanding condition. It's really going to sell for 25% over outstanding retail book values?

There's also this like-new 2019 718 Cayman GTS 6-speed available for $86,500: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto...349970579.html. I suppose the turbo-4 is a big negative but the 718 chassis is a big positive. This one has been listed for at least a month.

porsche market is nutty as i'm sure you are aware. for rare models like that you just have to jump in first and throw a deposit down. then ask questions later.

here is a 2016 Cayman S. 5k miles. and pdk. sold for 70k last month (window sticker of 80k). I dont see a GTS with a 6 speed lasting long at 75-80k.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...he-cayman-s-3/

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Nobody want that stupid ass OPF

non-OPF facelifts are rare though.

I've read on the German boards that OPF RS 3s drink about 1-1.5 litres more... ridiculous.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

non-OPF facelifts are rare though.

I've read on the German boards that OPF RS 3s drink about 1-1.5 litres more... ridiculous.

Wait, really?

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

Edmunds says dealer retail is $61018 in clean condition, $63808 in outstanding condition. It's really going to sell for 25% over outstanding retail book values?

There's also this like-new 2019 718 Cayman GTS 6-speed available for $86,500: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto...349970579.html. I suppose the turbo-4 is a big negative but the 718 chassis is a big positive. This one has been listed for at least a month.

You sound very new to Porsche values lol
Go look up how 2015-2016 911 991.1 GTS are selling for as the last NA Carrera.

Nobody cares about 718 GTS with 4banger - they were significantly discounted by dealers. They are depreciating even more now since the 718 GTS now comes with NA 6cyl.

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by R N M

You sound very new to Porsche values lol
Go look up how 2015-2016 911 991.1 GTS are selling for as the last NA Carrera.

Nobody cares about 718 GTS with 4banger - they were significantly discounted by dealers. They are depreciating even more now since the 718 GTS now comes with NA 6cyl.

I am. If that gives you some amusement, I'm happy to entertain. I do however know the market is white-hot and somewhat irrational right now. I don't mind paying 30% more for a car vs. a year ago if I have confidence it's not going to depreciate right back down in the next year. I am also going to compare that used cost to what else I could get for the same money - and for $75K I could get a new 2022 M3 or a like-new 2020 M2C and $20K in the bank, which makes it a little hard to justify.

Was the 718 GTS with a turbo-4 a bad car or just not one that fulfilled Porsche heritage traits? I could care less about the latter...

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by R N M

You sound very new to Porsche values lol
Go look up how 2015-2016 911 991.1 GTS are selling for as the last NA Carrera.

Nobody cares about 718 GTS with 4banger - they were significantly discounted by dealers. They are depreciating even more now since the 718 GTS now comes with NA 6cyl.

You are are not wrong.

A few months before COVID, I helped my uncle with a purchase of a 991.1 Targa 4S for a family friend in Taiwan. It was with the last with the NA Flat 6 and had a little over 20k in mileage.

The car was sold at MSRP immediately upon being put on sale. We only got to it that fast because of our connections with the dealership.

I can't say the original 718 GTS sold badly, in fact they sold decently okay, it's just once the 4.0 came out, it just tanked the original 718 GTS ones with the flat 4. Heck, I pick one up if I could as a daily.

Porsche owners, long term ones (and there are a lot of them) and even newer owners will still prioritize NA Flat Six Porsche 911s or 718s because it is what Porsche are known for.

I still don't like the fact I can see someone I ignored get quoted lol.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

The G8x is the only one that incorporates the large grilles stretched to the very bottom of the bumper. While I agree that the design language was something obviously handed to them and non-negotiable, I’m not so sure one can instantly assume that BMW M didn’t opportunistically leverage the new design language to incrementally increase the performance of the cooling system. Eyeballing shapes certainly isn’t going to tell you with certainty about a single-digit % gain in unobstructed frontal airflow.

Dude don't die on this hill, take our hand and let us help you. I'm sure the M engineers looked at whether there was some added benefit, and if it was quantifiable to any significant degree I'm sure they would have marketed it. But the simple fact is that cooling was never an issue and was clearly overbuilt - it is not an area where fine margins are necessary or even worth talking about. Grille was for design purposes only - end of story.

If we are going to talk about one area where G8X actually made a meaningful difference, it would be the re-sized & repositioned auxiliary radiators that make room for the brake cooling channels. Completely unrelated to the grilles.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

I am. If that gives you some amusement, I'm happy to entertain. I do however know the market is white-hot and somewhat irrational right now. I don't mind paying 30% more for a car vs. a year ago if I have confidence it's not going to depreciate right back down in the next year. I am also going to compare that used cost to what else I could get for the same money - and for $75K I could get a new 2022 M3 or a like-new 2020 M2C and $20K in the bank, which makes it a little hard to justify.

Was the 718 GTS with a turbo-4 a bad car or just not one that fulfilled Porsche heritage traits? I could care less about the latter...

thats the debate right now. who knows where the market is going. most likely it will come down, but who knows when. if you have the patience to wait it out then thats the route i would go. it may be a year or two though.

hard to compare a 3000 pound cayman with a mid engine layout to a front engine bmw with turbos. just very different driving experiences. which one is worth it to you is up for debate.

the 718 gts 4 cylinder dynamically speaking wasn't a bad car. its actually in some ways better because its a lighter. But it doesn't sound as good as the flat 6, and of course there is turbo lag. people complained so much they brought back the NA 6 cylinder for the 718 GTS after that.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

thats the debate right now. who knows where the market is going. most likely it will come down, but who knows when. if you have the patience to wait it out then thats the route i would go. it may be a year or two though.

hard to compare a 3000 pound cayman with a mid engine layout to a front engine bmw with turbos. just very different driving experiences. which one is worth it to you is up for debate.

the 718 gts 4 cylinder dynamically speaking wasn't a bad car. its actually in some ways better because its a lighter. But it doesn't sound as good as the flat 6, and of course there is turbo lag. people complained so much they brought back the NA 6 cylinder for the 718 GTS after that.

The problem wasn't the performance of the car, it never was really.

It is the fact that, most 718, especially the higher trimmed ones go to owners who know their cars and will absolutely complain about the Flat 4. Despite history will tell you Porsche has used Flat 4 engines way back when, they believe the Flat 6 is how it is supposed to be. Porsche agreed and at the very least threw one back to the GTS for the 4.0 while keeping the 4 in the base and S.

I don't mind the Flat 4 but I would not have gotten the GT4 if it had a Turbo 4 in it.

For the dude I blocked. The car isn't bad, it just isn't wanted. Porsche owners online tend to talk down the Flat 4 for just as much stupid reasons as most of us here are talking about the Beverface/Bunny teeth G8x. Price wise, they will not change much because they aren't really desired. Even after COVID, they won't change. I am 90% certain on this. That is the plus and minus of the car. You can get it at a very good price, and more than enough for everyone but at the cost of some owners giving you crap for having a Flat 4.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Wait, really?

Yeah, that's what some people and owners reported. It was on motor-talk.de in the big general RS3 info thread. I haven't looked into it further

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by swagon

Yeah, that's what some people and owners reported. It was on motor-talk.de in the big general RS3 info thread. I haven't looked into it further

Want to link me? I'm curious.

I almost got into a RS3 before (and a RS5).

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by Arcades

For the dude I blocked.

Wow. I appreciate the guidance on the Cayman but I’m shocked you set me to ignore. I’m an active, productive and thoughtful contributor to this forum. Strong opinions sometimes? Sure. But you’ve got to be pretty sensitive to block me.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

Wow. I appreciate the guidance on the Cayman but I’m shocked you set me to ignore. I’m an active, productive and thoughtful contributor to this forum. Strong opinions sometimes? Sure. But you’ve got to be pretty sensitive to block me.

You only have .2 posts a day that's not very active..

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

This is what I figure are the effective opening areas on the G8X grille for cooling airflow on the picture you posted earlier (approximation based on different sources), it is not that big:

+1

Now replace fake grill center bar with painted bumper and then remove the center vertical bar splitting the bottom intake. Presto...you could have more intake area without the beaver teeth.

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Incorrect. The cover on the G8x is significantly (math definition) lower profile than the F8x plastic in that area. Compare front plate pics; it’s pretty clear.

I am not comparing it to the F8x. I am saying in general the big kidneys provide no additional cooling to an updated version of traditional BMW designs(two top kidneys and larger lower horizontal grill). I think the current design makes it is worse to be honest. There is more opportunity to design more intake area using the traditional setup. In fact it could have used a similar wider kidney grill setup like the new G42 and larger lower horizontal grill, resulting in more intake surface area than both F8x and G80/82. Mind you the G87 will have the same powerplant and cooling, using the tried and true kidneys/grill design.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

+1

Now replace fake grill center bar with painted bumper and then remove the center vertical bar splitting the bottom intake. Presto...you could have more intake area without the beaver teeth.

It would then look like a pig…..one from Angry Birds. I'll take the Beaver.

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by dmk08

You only have .2 posts a day that's not very active..

There was a few years when I was living abroad that my BMW enthusiasm went on pause, then a few more years when I was more focused on boats than cars. Here are my two current toys:

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It would then look like a pig…..one from Angry Birds. I'll take the Beaver.

I wouldn't design it like that, just saying for reference the big kidney design doesn't = more intake area. They are actually fake large kidneys. I prefer the design posted a few pages back, now that was sexy. G87 M2 is going to use the same powerplant and cooling setup with no beaverteeth. The extra cooling is pure BS.

[Sedan_Clan]

More SoCal freeway Beaver face for GrussGott. Brooklyn Gray always looks so good on the move.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by dms-01

Just put him on your ignore list, he and that another dialogidickal add absolutely nothing of value to this thread or anywhere else for that matter.

Aww does somebody disagree with your opinion?

Sorry little buddy, I don't leave just because the retirement club wants me gone.

❤️

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

There was a few years when I was living abroad that my BMW enthusiasm went on pause, then a few more years when I was more focused on boats than cars. Here are my two current toys:

I always thought about picking up a cheap skier to get out on the Bay or the Delta - like a 90's MasterCraft with an LS motor. Still might now that I'm in Seattle for the foreseeable future

[Multimodal]

Too bad you’re not in SF - would be happy to invite you out on my Grady-White 275.

Seattle is probably a better spot than SF for boating. I’ve got waterfront Seattle listings under $1.5M on my Redfin alert list. With the state income tax savings in Washington State that’s like a $1M house in SF.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

More SoCal freeway Beaver face for GrussGott. Brooklyn Gray always looks so good on the move.

I saw another one today in bay area! My 2nd! I gotta say, the convertibles (the only ones I've seen on the road) look good except for the pornographic grille, I especially liked this color combo, pretty sharp!

That said, I also think this one is a dealer plate so maybe this was a test drive? Odd that the only ones I've seen on the road are convertibles with dealer plates ... When I want mysteries solved, I call a cop





the other thing is those rear tails ... they're kinda the half mirror of the tails on the new X3M ... I maybe could get over them, but not the X3M's hipster 'stache