CSF x VF "GAME CHANGER" Top mount charge-air-cooler

[BuLoOoSki]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

We first showed the development prototypes in early October, and have only had working prototypes on our development cars by the start of November. (just prior to SEMA week)

While California is generally warm year round, we just haven't had the right conditions to collect that last bit of data we need to show the benefits of all (4) different product combinations.

• Stock Charge Cooler / Stock Heat Exchange
• Stock Charge Cooler / Upgraded Heat Exchanger
• Upgraded Charge Cooler / Stock Heat Exchanger
• Upgraded Charge Cooler / Upgraded Heat Exchanger

There's no doubt that the OEM cooling system on the stock car is quite efficient, but as soon as you start increasing boost and power levels you do start to see increased IAT's and water temperatures.

As soon as we get a day or two with 80°+ F, we'll be back out on the road and at the drag strip to show the recovery benefits of the Heat Exchanger, and the cooling/power benefits of the Charge Cooler.

We'd rather not post incomplete data that inspires more questions than answers, which is why you haven't seen any recent updates.

Any data or updates from testing since weather has been warmer now?

[styler69]

install vid or instructions?

[Jpfabrications]

This looks great!

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by jpworkz

This looks great!

@jpworkz
Checking out your website for my n54 car
Getting interested in a big power upgrade

[applesauce683]

Still no data?

[M3pedals]

Originally Posted by applesauce683

Still no data?

^ I second that

[BuLoOoSki]

I'm starting to believe that there simply wasn't any conclusive data to suggest this being a worthy upgrade. The silence of CSF and VF Engineering definitely doesn't suggest otherwise. Coincidentally the other day I was talking with one of the largest hybrid turbo manufacturers for the F8X (don't want to address their name), and I asked them if they felt upgrading any of the cooling parts was necessary to complement their upgraded turbos. They mentioned that they've been running CSF's cooling package and they said that upgrading the heat exchanger definitely helped. So I asked them if they saw any performance gains/lower temps from the charge cooler. They responded by saying that they still haven't done enough testing to come to a conclusion. I feel that they were giving a "political" answer to avoid saying anything negative about CSF's charge cooler, but I could and hope that I'm wrong

[applesauce683]

VF-Engineering and CSF Cooling care to comment on the status of data results? I was interested in this but not without some proof they are worth it.

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by applesauce683

VF-Engineering and CSF Cooling care to comment on the status of data results? I was interested in this but not without some proof they are worth it.

To be frank, we've been consistently selling out of every production run
before the shipments even arrive. It's been making testing with multiple
cars tough to schedule, and since we've been quite pleased with the initial
data collected, along with what we've seen from CSF's racing clients, the
urgency to rent a track to do more comparative testing has diminished.

For those who may have missed it, you can see the preliminary results
we collected back in Post #59. ← (click link to jump)



As much as we'd like to sell these Charge Coolers to every S55 on the
planet, this product falls into what we call our "if it ain't broke,..." category.

If you're not currently exhibiting heat soak with the factory charge cooler,
then there's plenty of other ways to spend $1,995!

The OEM charge cooler is no doubt quite efficient at factory boost levels,
and while have hundreds of Stage ONE and Stage TWO customers who
have no heat related issues to mention, those who have met the limits of
the factory unit have been pleased with the results after upgrading.

[Brake_Late]

Ahhh yes ! thank you.

[M3pedals]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

To be frank, we've been consistently selling out of every production run
before the shipments even arrive. It's been making testing with multiple
cars tough to schedule, and since we've been quite pleased with the initial
data collected, along with what we've seen from CSF's racing clients, the
urgency to rent a track to do more comparative testing has diminished.

For those who may have missed it, you can see the preliminary results
we collected back in Post #59. ← (click link to jump)

So thats a negative on data?

As much as we'd like to sell these Charge Coolers to every S55 on the
planet, this product falls into what we call our "if it ain't broke,..." category.

If you're not currently exhibiting heat soak with the factory charge cooler,
then there's plenty of other ways to spend $1,995!

The OEM charge cooler is no doubt quite efficient at factory boost levels,
and while have hundreds of Stage ONE and Stage TWO customers who
have no heat related issues to mention, those who have met the limits of
the factory unit have been pleased with the results after upgrading.

So thats a negative on any data? And none for the foreseeable future?

[S.Deaville]

How much for the CSF Cooler and the Heat Exchange?

Link to a website?

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by S.Deaville

How much for the CSF Cooler and the Heat Exchange?

Link to a website?

http://www.bimmerworld.com/Intake-Fu...FcVffgodRKkFRw

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by M3pedals

So thats a negative on any data? And none for the foreseeable future?

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by M3pedals

So thats a negative on any data? And none for the foreseeable future?

They said it themselves that it's an "if it aint broke don't fix it" mod. That coupled with the fact that they can't generate data, to me, tells me exactly that.. don't bother changing it if it ain't broke. The factory system is plenty enough for track rats after repeatedly laps in hot weather already.

[BuLoOoSki]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

To be frank, we've been consistently selling out of every production run
before the shipments even arrive. It's been making testing with multiple
cars tough to schedule, and since we've been quite pleased with the initial
data collected, along with what we've seen from CSF's racing clients, the
urgency to rent a track to do more comparative testing has diminished.

For those who may have missed it, you can see the preliminary results
we collected back in Post #59. ← (click link to jump)



As much as we'd like to sell these Charge Coolers to every S55 on the
planet, this product falls into what we call our "if it ain't broke,..." category.

If you're not currently exhibiting heat soak with the factory charge cooler,
then there's plenty of other ways to spend $1,995!

The OEM charge cooler is no doubt quite efficient at factory boost levels,
and while have hundreds of Stage ONE and Stage TWO customers who
have no heat related issues to mention, those who have met the limits of
the factory unit have been pleased with the results after upgrading.

In that post you/CSF has claimed of some power gains and temp drops, care to post the actual data behind that? Dyno graphs, data collected showing the 15 degree temp drop etc.

[x.shell]

Originally Posted by Dark_M4

does everybody sees this instead of pictures? Please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting

It's bucking Photofucket. They now charge $400 a year to hotlink. They rolled this change out quietly. Half the forums and blogs on the internet are now broken.

[AW M4]

Went with the CSF top mount charge cooler and heat exchanger combo. It's really a winning combination. Absolutely love mine and I have nothing but positive things to say about CSF products. Quality is like OEM and the install is plug and play using all oem connections. Nothing needs to be modified which is great!

Although I don't have any empirical data to prove it. I can definitely feel the difference on the butt dyno. The car responds much smoother now and it really is a day and night difference. Prior to installing the parts, I could tell when the car would start to heat soak and the slight loss of power was evident. Now, pull after pull the car runs more efficiently and I don't feel any lag or hesitation. Definitely a winning combo.

Here are a few pics of my setup. Got it custom powder coated white with the CSF logo pin striped red for a nice pop of color.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by AW M4

Went with the CSF top mount charge cooler and heat exchanger combo. It's really a winning combination. Absolutely love mine and I have nothing but positive things to say about CSF products. Quality is like OEM and the install is plug and play using all oem connections. Nothing needs to be modified which is great!

Although I don't have any empirical data to prove it. I can definitely feel the difference on the butt dyno. The car responds much smoother now and it really is a day and night difference. Prior to installing the parts, I could tell when the car would start to heat soak and the slight loss of power was evident. Now, pull after pull the car runs more efficiently and I don't feel any lag or hesitation. Definitely a winning combo.

Here are a few pics of my setup. Got it custom powder coated white with the CSF logo pin striped red for a nice pop of color.

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Badass

[M4 CSL]

That's given me an idea.

My MSR CAI and Charge pipes are wrinkle black, so I wanted a wrinkle black CSF top mount. I was always considering having the stripes on it and CSF done in Silver so it matched the stock charge pipe cover.

I think if I left the two legs of the "F" black and painted the "I" and added a leg to the bottom in silver it would change the "F" to an "L"

: ) Capiche?

[Brake_Late]

CS L anything !

[Vectors2final]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Like make our own for half he cost? AND provide the data to back it up?

Or make the conscious decision to go back and host via IMGUR.