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Individual paint is a scam, BMW should offer more standard colors! | 139 | 54.51% | |
Individual paint FTW, I need 50 shades of grey! | 116 | 45.49% | |
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02-19-2018, 08:30 AM | #89 |
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lots of FOMO in this thread... my girl just bought a 2 thousand dollar handbag. estimated cost to make <100$. i agree that yaz and SO should have been more normal colors and I probably would have gotten blue however, there isn't anything new here folks. move along
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I think the intent of the Individual program is good and provides a lot of flexibility, but BMW are being manipulative in how it is perceived and subsequently desired by the different people that want it for their own reasons. Some say it’s just business and in the end of course it’s up to the buyer to decide. I just wanted to see what everyone else was thinking because I felt a bit of the Emporor’s new clothes syndrome going on and thought I was missing something. For me, I would have absolutely loved Tanzanite Blue, but I opted for AW in the absence of a comparable dark blue as an option, which I would have gladly paid a little extra for, but not the steep Individual price.
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I agree that the F80/F82/F83 color palate is weak (no red and only one non-metallic) but thinking that BMW offering individual paint is a scam is silly even at $5,200. Why do you suppose very few manufacturers offer this option? How is it any different than package bundles that most manufacturers offer? I'd rather have an exclusive paint on a car that I see at least five a day than a $4,100 package that only has one feature that I care about.
On another note, 2018 Individual owners all got ICONS standard.
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TL;DR, but in the early 2000's one could get an E39 M5 (from memory) in Black, metallic black, white, red (Imola!), blue (LeMans!), silver, sterling silver, and more. That is a lot of nice colors.
EDIT: Found this (scroll towards bottom). Seriously nice color selection. http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=18 |
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I think BMW offers great color choices. And then if you want something different or exotic $5K is very cheap compared to other luxury brand companies. Even a wrap is going to cost a minimum of $5K for a car like the M3/M4.
Maserati exclusive colors start at about $15K, Porsche colors are also pretty pricey.
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The issue I have is that this is not true for this gen. If you want something "different or exotic" you can get SO, AY, or YMB for cheap, but if you want just a normal red or blue, you have to fork over $5k - and wait longer for the order.
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It's the same in reverse. If normal red or blue were standard colors, and SO, AYl, and Yas were individual colors, there would be bitching as well. Basically BMW can't please everyone.
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02-23-2018, 03:26 AM | #100 |
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That's not the same as the situation now, where people have to go Individual for basic colors. That's more valid of a reason to bitch. SO, AY, and YM are unique colors and are better suited for the "Individual" mindset. If they were not offered standard, anyone bitching that they should be standard would simply be told they can pay for Individual, at which point they don't have much argument.
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In the case of BMWNA, Individual is a fucking disaster: (1.) The dealers aren't incented in any way to help you (2.) The dealers have no fucking idea about any of it (3.) BMWNA & BMWAG are completely opaque on what can / can't be ordered and pricing. So, yes, BMW Individual is shady-as-fuck simply because it's a sloppy unorganized mess of a program that creates a horrible customer experience both for those that choose it AND those that don't. |
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I really think we got a weak palette for F80. Like mineral grey but had on M235 and wanted change. No space grey, 5K for Nardo. Grigio medio/telesto pricey. Limerock only on CS. Tanzanite/azurite dark.. topaz hard to pull off.. champagne quartz a bit warm.
Jeez ur killing me BMW.. I gave up and went refrigerator white. Game over I will probably let BMW bang or skam me for 5k on a nardo G80. All we can do is pray. Individual is marketable because a lot of M car owners will pay the extra buck to get exactly what they want
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I was very surprised there were no red color standard
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I like the concept of being able to order any color you want. I've seen some really cool colors on Bimmerpost. Violet, Ferrari Red, various shades of blue, etc. From a manufacturers perspective, I think you have to charge a premium for that degree of customization. Otherwise, the economics wouldn't work. They can't offer an almost unlimited palette of colors without charging for that.
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What is shady is how much it costs to order an individual color. $5,000 is a lot!
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My guess is that they have a number X that they can offer as standard colors for that model or series and everything else is custom that comes at a cost. The selection of colors could be better (Austin Yellow is a pretty special color) but where do you draw the line? Basic red, should it be Imola, Ferrari or Japan red? Or another? I think the customization possibilities are great, the base selection could be a little less wild on the F8x and the price is debatable on some of the after all pretty basic colors. But overall its a pretty reasonable system when accounting for manufacturing processes and what not. Im not defending BMW, i would have liked to get my Imola red for "free" but i dont think its shady practice. |
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Plus it's split between BMWNA (or your local importer) and BMWAG. For BMWNA they have to pay a full time salary and benefits for at least one person (we all know who), maybe more, and the all of systems and training to even enable ordering. And we know the BMWNA person that does it, doesn't just place an order - they have to watch the car and make tweaks all along the way. Then BMWAG has to fuck with their insanely complicated systems and assembly line process to pull a single car off the line and run it somewhere else for painting and then get it back to the assembly line for completion. The point is, there are a lot of fix costs for both the importer and the manufacturer and they have to pick a single cost to charge us, only being able to forecast how many people might buy. I'd be surprised if BMWAG Finance thinks Individual paint is a big profit center. |
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