6MT or DCT?

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by antych

So, modern supercars costing a small fortune don't come with MT for economic reasons? Huracan doesn't come with MT because Lamborghini is worried about fuel economy and emissions? It has nothing to do with performance? I suppose Earth must flat where you're from as well

With few (if any) exceptions the highest performance cars available today (Porsche GT3 and 918, Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini) are not available with manual transmissions.

Also few race cars have manual transmissions and those that do tend to have sequential racing transmissions rather than conventional H pattern manuals.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

All these driver involvement and skill posts are funny.
Saying its not the driver and its the transmission doing all the work.
I bought the DCT because it was the superior technologically advanced option that makes my drive better and leads to a faster car on street and track.
Ive owned MT for 20+yrs and I would say to everyone who asks that I'd hands down recommend DCT any day of the week

I'm with you 100% and I know lots of people that are in the same boat as you, I think most manual drivers are very "loud" and articulate about their love for the 6MT and I respect it because they are disappearing. Transmission is such a personal choice, almost as personal as picking paint color.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by utsavized

Wow, this escalated quickly

Thanks for everyone's feedback. I think I got a lot of good objective, as well as, subjective viewpoints on DCT and 6MT. As for me, I have never driven a manual, or a truly performance car like this one, and I wanted to start my journey with a manual. No denying DCT is faster, and more capable, and by the looks of it, almost everyone that vouches for DCT has also driven a manual for a long time/or at some point. I wanted to drive a manual to see what everyone is talking about.

haha that's just how I was well I learned a bit how to drive a manual in friends cars but this is my first manual car, I just wanted to see what it was all about and be able to say that I had a manual car lol

[AM4ZING]

Originally Posted by Powaup

I'm with you 100% and I know lots of people that are in the same boat as you, I think most manual drivers are very "loud" and articulate about their love for the 6MT and I respect it because they are disappearing. Transmission is such a personal choice, almost as personal as picking paint color.

Glad to see you went with the Man Pedal

[gthal]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

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I have heard a number of people claim that AT of DCT cars 'drive themselves" but I have never heard it said by anyone who I considered to be a skilled driver. Of all of the skills that have to be mastered for high performance driving I feel that learning how to shift an MT (properly) is one of the easiest to master. The way many drivers drive MTs (poorly) requires very little skill but I have encountered some very mediocre drivers that were convinced that their ability to get an MT from one gear to another made them experts at car control.
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[dmk08]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

A few thoughts.

As has been stated in an earlier post saying that an MT is more 'fun" is subjective and an opinion. If you find an MT more fun then by all means get an MT but don't assume that everyone else feels (or should feel) the same way.

I agree that the DCT is an automatic transmission and I consider it an exceptionally good automatic transmission. As far as I am concerned any transmission that can be put into Drive and will shift automatically is an automatic transmission. In 'manual' mode shifting with the paddles or the shift lever the driver has full control over the gear selection and will only be overridden by the computer if something stupid is attempted. That being said I have no issue with automatic transmissions.

I have heard a number of people claim that AT of DCT cars 'drive themselves" but I have never heard it said by anyone who I considered to be a skilled driver. Of all of the skills that have to be mastered for high performance driving I feel that learning how to shift an MT (properly) is one of the easiest to master. The way many drivers drive MTs (poorly) requires very little skill but I have encountered some very mediocre drivers that were convinced that their ability to get an MT from one gear to another made them experts at car control.

As for being forced to pay attention if you have an MT - if you need to be shifting gears to concentrate on driving you probably shouldn't be driving. What do you do when you are on a long stretch of flat, straight interstate? "I've been driving at a steady 75MPH for close to an hour and I am having trouble concentrating - I think I'll shift gears a few times to wake myself up".

At this point in time and given the level of development of both "conventional" ATs and DCTs I find no technical or performance based justification for an MT. The reason to get an MT is because you enjoy driving an MT and no further explanation is needed. Just don't start to think the fact that you know how to operated a clutch makes you Mario Andretti,

Bottom line is that a good driver will be fast regardless of what type of transmission the car is equipped with and a mediocre driver will be slow regardless of what type of transmission the car is equipped with.

Very well said sir.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

A few thoughts.

As has been stated in an earlier post saying that an MT is more 'fun" is subjective and an opinion. If you find an MT more fun then by all means get an MT but don't assume that everyone else feels (or should feel) the same way.

I agree that the DCT is an automatic transmission and I consider it an exceptionally good automatic transmission. As far as I am concerned any transmission that can be put into Drive and will shift automatically is an automatic transmission. In 'manual' mode shifting with the paddles or the shift lever the driver has full control over the gear selection and will only be overridden by the computer if something stupid is attempted. That being said I have no issue with automatic transmissions.

I have heard a number of people claim that AT of DCT cars 'drive themselves" but I have never heard it said by anyone who I considered to be a skilled driver. Of all of the skills that have to be mastered for high performance driving I feel that learning how to shift an MT (properly) is one of the easiest to master. The way many drivers drive MTs (poorly) requires very little skill but I have encountered some very mediocre drivers that were convinced that their ability to get an MT from one gear to another made them experts at car control.

As for being forced to pay attention if you have an MT - if you need to be shifting gears to concentrate on driving you probably shouldn't be driving. What do you do when you are on a long stretch of flat, straight interstate? "I've been driving at a steady 75MPH for close to an hour and I am having trouble concentrating - I think I'll shift gears a few times to wake myself up".

At this point in time and given the level of development of both "conventional" ATs and DCTs I find no technical or performance based justification for an MT. The reason to get an MT is because you enjoy driving an MT and no further explanation is needed. Just don't start to think the fact that you know how to operated a clutch makes you Mario Andretti,

Bottom line is that a good driver will be fast regardless of what type of transmission the car is equipped with and a mediocre driver will be slow regardless of what type of transmission the car is equipped with.

I would love to know what percentage of die hard MT drivers actually know how to heel toe? I think the population percentage is very low

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Powaup

I would love to know what percentage of die hard MT drivers actually know how to heel toe? I think the population percentage is very low

I do know how to heal toe but just because you drive MT and like it doesn't mean you are a track superstar or want to be one. It just means you like shifting gears. You guys are looking too deep into it.

P.S. you don't have to know how to heal toe in this car. Rev matching FTW

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I do know how to heal toe but just because you drive MT and like it doesn't mean you are a track superstar or want to be one. It just means you like shifting gears. You guys are looking too deep into it.

It never ceases to amaze me how the "experts" continue to tell us "mediocre" drivers how bad we are at driving and shouldn't bother with a 6MT because we can't drive like Juan Fangio or somebody. As you said, "It just means you like shifting gears."

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by Powaup

haha that's just how I was well I learned a bit how to drive a manual in friends cars but this is my first manual car, I just wanted to see what it was all about and be able to say that I had a manual car lol

I think you made a good decision and will enjoy the car.

Good luck with it!

I think your experience driving an MT will give you an understanding of what the function of a transmission is and what it means to be in different gears. This will be knowledge that will transfer if and when you drive a DCT.

CA

[M3_WC]

Differences between DCT and 6MT?

One is for men, one is for women.











Joking...

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

It never ceases to amaze me how the "experts" continue to tell us "mediocre" drivers how bad we are at driving and shouldn't bother with a 6MT because we can't drive like Juan Fangio or somebody. As you said, "It just means you like shifting gears."

I don't disagree but there is a lot of flack that comes from the "MAN Pedal, Car Drives Itself" crew.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Differences between DCT and 6MT?

One is for men, one is for women.











Joking...

Which one is for men?

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I do know how to heal toe but just because you drive MT and like it doesn't mean you are a track superstar or want to be one. It just means you like shifting gears. You guys are looking too deep into it.

P.S. you don't have to know how to heal toe in this car. Rev matching FTW

Except for sport+. Why couldn't bmw just make an on/off switch like Porsche did for their MT

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by Powaup

Except for sport+. Why couldn't bmw just make an on/off switch like Porsche did for their MT

The auto rev matching killed the MT for me. I know some people really like it but I found it incredibly annoying and don't understand why there is no on/off switch.

[Doctor///M]

I want an RS6. Avant please.

[itrsteve]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I had a DCT E92 for a year and after 3 months I was so bored I just drove around in auto mode below the speed limit like a Sunday driver. Itll be truly a sad day once MT is gone for real. Ill probably just buy a Prius then.

I'm getting this way too. I think DCT is a great fit for the E92, but I am starting to get a little bored. I will never admit this to my friends as I got a lot of flack for going this route. When I go to a F8x it will have a 6MT, no question. I still get giggles with the snappy rev-matching on downshifts, but it's much more lethargic with the F8x's. I know that's a controversial statement, but I have plenty of time behind the wheel of one and it's not the same.

OP, just find an open parking lot to practice. You'll have it figured out in an hour, it's not THAT difficult.

[dmnc02]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

The auto rev matching killed the MT for me. I know some people really like it but I found it incredibly annoying and don't understand why there is no on/off switch.

Do you really dislike being in Sport+ so much?

But, yes, having the ability to turn rev matching on/off in iDrive would be nice.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by dmnc02

Do you really dislike being in Sport+ so much?

But, yes, having the ability to turn rev matching on/off in iDrive would be nice.

Most of the time I have everything set to the softest settings. I am rarely in Sport+.

[3er]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Differences between DCT and 6MT?

One is for men, one is for women.











Joking...

Lololol. There are times when I wish I could have both in the same car, but 6MT has my heart at the moment.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by secretariat

Are you sure you want to learn how to drive a manual on a brand new M4?

I taught a local kid here to drive one. One year of driving experience prior to this under her belt. Why the hell not, do it in style!

[minn19]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Differences between DCT and 6MT?

One is for men, one is for women.











Joking...

Can't wait to see a thread involving you money shifting that thing.

Oh yeah, joking of course.