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Just a few thought on previous posts.
The iconic m3 still lives on in the best form (sedan)!!! ZF as good as MDCT? 36C on a girl with 23 waist is always greater than 36D on a girl with 34 waist! |
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09-23-2013, 03:13 PM | #135 | |
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True, the M3 GTS has 444 bhp and curb weight 3,370 lbs for 7.6lbs/hp. That did the ring in 7:48, so will be tough for new gen M3/M4 to surpass this unless gets far below 3,550 lbs.
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09-23-2013, 03:20 PM | #136 |
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thats' not apples to apples though....can't wait for the M3 CRT and M4 GTS. holy crap those are going to be beast mode cars.
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09-23-2013, 03:25 PM | #137 | |
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Some say the m5/6 are actually 600hp. Holy! |
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09-23-2013, 03:41 PM | #140 | |
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You might want to familiarize yourself with 335's and current tunes, and then apply that to what we can only assume about the M3/M4... which may change as details are revealed. My 2008 335i dyno'd 278whp stock and 336whp on 91 octane JB4 ($479 tune). That's 58whp on a tune, roughly equating to 65hp, give or take.... considering drive train loss, 336whp is certainly in the range of ~375hp on just a tune. The difference from stock to tuned is what matters, so maybe you came across someone making 310whp on a tune, but their original hp figures would've been around 240-250whp. Go to the 335 forums and find those figures... I don't recall seeing anyone making that little of an increase, ever (30-40whp on a JB4 or Cobb, for instance). Since we are literally talking a nearly 400hp car on just a tune (335i), I want to encourage the M3/M4 world. This is going to be a 500+hp car on a tune with a bolt on or two. Figure catless downpipes, if four cats exist, will add 25-30whp and a FMIC and intake will add another 25-30whp. A tune on top of that? Good grief. The only mention worth making is that the 335 had terribly restrictive attributes, while the M3/M4 might be pushing it a bit more and already have a fairly efficient intake, fmic, tune, etc. Looking forward to a curb weight, and believe it or not, MPG figures. Could never justify the E90 DCT based on terrible fuel economy. With the turbo 6 we might see high 20's on the highway. |
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09-23-2013, 03:47 PM | #142 |
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Right, was more in reference cuffing the performance bound on the regular M3/4 on similar weight car, with better weight/power ratio (at least appears to be case unless weight gets down more than 3350 lbs). No doubt a PP or CSL type will render further improvements on the base M3/4.
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Ah, better for the Italians, we have taxes on the number of horses... 425 is
approximately 4900 usd/years...
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09-23-2013, 04:02 PM | #146 |
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I really don't get all this hoopla about HP? It's not the be all and end all of any M car, it has always been about the entire product.
I say bring it, 425hp or 455hp or whatever... it'll be a great M car.
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There are some that seem to get caught up on the hp number. Clearly the direction in more recent years has taken a different focus than just an outright hp number. For those that are feel free to get the Audi or merc if that's what they think is going to make them happy
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425 is a bit disappointing. Will wait to see how it drives. Getting a feeling it will be a good car but not a great one. Need to get more weight out of the car.
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there you go with nonsense again. Are you talking about the SPORT AUTO?! that is not DCT.
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09-23-2013, 04:11 PM | #152 |
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if bmw underrates hp, then whats the current hp and tq of the e9x m3?
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09-23-2013, 04:16 PM | #153 | |
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We haven't received info on weight yet... What are your feelings based on with regards to it not being a great car? Internet gossip? Can't believe how many that are disappointed with the car even before we have some solid info on power to weight and lap times etc. |
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09-23-2013, 04:17 PM | #154 |
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Quite tempting. I know the M4 will be a great performer and all-around great car. I expect the weight to be about 3450lbs.
However, I most likely won't be able to put in my order by the end of the year (corporate lease to expense), so I'm probably going with a C7 Vette. It's 5sec a lap faster around Willow Springs than my E9x M3. That's pretty incredible for something that is about $10k less MSRP. |
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