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BMW is doing it to cut costs and increase profits. As far as the ///M5, no I have not, so I cannot comment one way or the other. But big power, does not mean "soul". Lots of cars have big power, so nothing special about an car with big power. Cheers, e46e92
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Also, you guys sell plenty of cars that you can use to get fleet averages up without neutering the ///M line. BMW sells FI as the only solution to address building a car with power and low emissions/higher mpg.......but Porsche seems to achieve things with their 911s that says otherwise. Perhaps FI does not belong in a 3 or 1 series ///M variant......I doubt that the genius that is the ///M division could not come up with a solution. This is where cost cutting comes in. BMW is making record profits, yet FI is the lazy option to me. Hey, if you build a FI car that revs to 8k with the throttle response of the S65 or S54, I will buy her. You build a car that revs to 7k or so without that throttle response, I won't, because I had one of those already. Claiming a car is high-revving because its high revving for a FI engine, doesn't make it a high-revving engine. Either way, I do appreciate you posting and do look forward to seeing the F3x, and won't pass final judgement till I driver her Cheers, e46e92
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+1 We've discussed it quite a lot before. Decisions at M are based as more on cost cutting as anything else. Sure they will probably do what it takes to keep holding their crown in the sports coupe and sedan segments but they are trying to save money more than anything. Can't really blame them for that. There is nothing essentially wrong with find the best solution per dollar. Just don't drink the M kool aid and think they are evolved from racing, race inspired, performance at any cost, etc., etc. Sure there is some truth there but it is not the dominant factor driving the key changes we see in M cars.
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08-12-2011, 07:01 PM | #159 | |
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http://www.autoobserver.com//2010/03...facturers.html So basically instead of going with turbo charging (which of course they do, along with hybrids), Porsche just asks the EPA for a break from efficiency standards. |
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If BMW is so trying to improve their fleet average, why don't we get cars like 120d, 320d? It is all marketing bullshit. Going turbo, using same/similar engine with different size turbos are cheaper, and that's the end of it. Quote:
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08-12-2011, 08:12 PM | #161 | |
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Well, need to be fair here. How can you expect 42mpg average fleet mileage (by 2016) from a sports car manufacturer?
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I do wish the 1M had the E46s 3.2L motor...S54?. That would have been awesome and would have saved BMW even more money than developing the I6 TT, is my guess. |
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After the N54/N55 HPFP fiasco I will never buy a FI car from BMW. Period. My wife and I are currently looking at an X5 diesel and X3 base model. Why take the risk to be stranded somewhere?
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If BMW took the time to design an I6 along the lines of the old RB26DETT motor for the new M3 I think most people will be quite happy indeed... Tons of power, 9000rpm redline and all that was from just 2.6L
If on the other hand they are planning to just upgrade the N54/55 motors and call it a 'high-revving' engine then I will lose all respect for the M brand! |
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Eventhough I like I6 more than anyother engine, for this M3 F3X, I would still have prefered the V6 than the N55 based I6. Of course an all new for M3 specially developped I6 would be the best thing, but it is even less realistic than BMW M building an M1 successor. All I can say, the "S55" better be highly moddified in order to have redline at 8.000 RPM and be M3 worthy.
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http://www.autoobserver.com//2010/03...facturers.html
Actually this shows why VAG are driving into trouble especially for their high end sport brands. With the new M5 for example their is a clear observation in regarding fuel consumption compared to the E60. I used to have a Sedan before I got the Touring so I am seeing a considerable rise in the reduction of fuel consumption compared to both my current E61 and previous E60. Of course the M5 is not just about efficiency it also gets you from Munich - Frankfurt in rocketship-like effortless ease. |
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Porsche doesn't have a lineup like BMWs with a bunch of less expensive cars that can focus more on efficiency vs. performance. Cheers, e46e92
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I really hope the m3 won't have a tri turbo I'm the biggest m3 fan but this love Is starting to fade away with the latest model also don't think 450 hp is near enough anything under 500 hp is fail if u ask me
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Also, wouldn't using a V6 be out due to the inherent imbalances of a V6 (needing balnce shafts)? Especially a 3.3 liter. |
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Judging from the way my car was shaking when the HPFP failed on me, I'd say rather violently! ;-)
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http://www.caranddriver.com/news/spi...os-future_cars probably "old"ish news... but saw this other day from car and driver spotting "But even if the M3’s name changes, the biggest news will still be under the hood, where a twin-turbocharged inline-six will replace the current 4.0-liter V-8. The eight-pot, which was derived from the last-gen M5’s 5.0-liter V-10, is flexible, sonorous, and powerful, but it also has a bad drinking habit—not good in an era of legislated efficiency. The blown six will indeed use less fuel, but it also should be more powerful. Figure on 430 horsepower or so, up from the current car’s 414-hp figure. We hear the new six is based on the single-turbo, 3.0-liter N55 engine found in several current BMWs, including the 335i, the 5-series, and the X5. A seven-speed dual-clutch transmission will be offered, as it is now, and we also expect BMW to continue to offer a six-speed manual, as well as adjustable dampers and dynamic M chassis settings." n55 inline 6.... pass on m3 I will be getting a current e92 sedan m3 then in 2013
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