F80 M3 VBOX Acceleration Results: 4.2s 0-100kmh / 0-62mph

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

wheels & bbk (-45 lbs).

Just curious how you got the -45lb from wheels and BBK.

BBK are usually heavier than stock. 11+lb per corner from wheels seems a lot to me.

[pkimM3r]

on everyone saying they will get Akras on the new m3/4....aren't the MPEs made by Akra now? or will there be a BMW tax, or do you think Akra's agreement with BMW stipulates that no Akra kit for the BMW will be allowed. hmm...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

on everyone saying they will get Akras on the new m3/4....aren't the MPEs made by Akra now? or will there be a BMW tax, or do you think Akra's agreement with BMW stipulates that no Akra kit for the BMW will be allowed. hmm...

My guess is that MPE will be cat back only and that Akra on their own will be offering a full line with cat delete.

[RPiM5]

The best I've gotten with F10 M5 on street Michelin PSS 0-60 was 3.8 seconds.

So this thread is saying that a stock F10 M5 without Comp Package is still faster than the new M3/M4 0-60 time of 4.2 seconds?

Just doesn't make sense, since the new M3/M4 is like 900lbs lighter than the M5.

Oh well, I'll just be happy with my 4,400lbs whale.

[Johnmd]

M5 does 0-200 in 12.3s vs 13.4 in M3
M5 does 0-250 in 21.3s vs 23 in M3
M5 does 1/4 mile in 11.6s @ 122 mph vs 12.2 and 118 mph in M3.

I have no idea where these M3 is faster comments are coming from. All these numbers I posted are done by amateurs using stock cars with no track radials. Its apples to apples comparison. The OP did all of this in 80F weather, that is nothing really in fact, its the best temperature for the PSS tires.

The thread is not about skidpad, or nurburgring times, or handling. Its about vbox and straightline speed, period. And M3 is not faster than M5, in any of these categories (even the 0-100 based on OP's 4.2s).

Now also remember, these are all from a dig, do some 20-30 mph pulls and you'll see the M5 putting 2-3 bus lengths to the M3 before they reach 100mph.

The comparison conversation is happening because prospective M3 owners kept saying "its faster or as fast" as the M5. There were many posts here made by various people making this claim.

Based on these numbers, M3 is putting 455hp crank whereas M5 CP is putting over 650hp. Thats almost 50% more power between two cars. The results are as expected. M5 is extremely underrated by over 75hp. M3 maybe 30hp.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=978207

Our buddy who got an 11.08 with a BMS m5 posted a 1.706 60ft... Just saying.

1.706 60ft in a 4,400lbs M5? Now your just talking crazy talk.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Johnmd

M5 does 0-200 in 12.3s vs 13.4 in M3
M5 does 0-250 in 21.3s vs 23 in M3
M5 does 1/4 mile in 11.6s @ 122 mph vs 12.2 and 118 mph in M3.

I have no idea where these M3 is faster comments are coming from. All these numbers I posted are done by amateurs using stock cars with no track radials. Its apples to apples comparison. The OP did all of this in 80F weather, that is nothing really in fact, its the best temperature for the PSS tires.

The thread is not about skidpad, or nurburgring times, or handling. Its about vbox and straightline speed, period. And M3 is not faster than M5, in any of these categories (even the 0-100 based on OP's 4.2s).

Now also remember, these are all from a dig, do some 20-30 mph pulls and you'll see the M5 putting 2-3 bus lengths to the M3 before they reach 100mph.

The comparison conversation is happening because prospective M3 owners kept saying "its faster or as fast" as the M5. There were many posts here made by various people making this claim.

It's silly but I would love to see an M3 owner race an M5 from 60-130 or 40-120. People actually thinking that 1/4 mile times where traction and your launch capability are extremely important are indicative of the performance a car is capable of clearly have no idea on the subject.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Johnmd

M5 does 0-200 in 12.3s vs 13.4 in M3
M5 does 0-250 in 21.3s vs 23 in M3
M5 does 1/4 mile in 11.6s @ 122 mph vs 12.2 and 118 mph in M3.

I have no idea where these M3 is faster comments are coming from. All these numbers I posted are done by amateurs using stock cars with no track radials. Its apples to apples comparison. The OP did all of this in 80F weather, that is nothing really in fact, its the best temperature for the PSS tires.

The thread is not about skidpad, or nurburgring times, or handling. Its about vbox and straightline speed, period. And M3 is not faster than M5, in any of these categories (even the 0-100 based on OP's 4.2s).

Now also remember, these are all from a dig, do some 20-30 mph pulls and you'll see the M5 putting 2-3 bus lengths to the M3 before they reach 100mph.

The comparison conversation is happening because prospective M3 owners kept saying "its faster or as fast" as the M5. There were many posts here made by various people making this claim.

Based on these numbers, M3 is putting 455hp crank whereas M5 CP is putting over 650hp. Thats almost 50% more power between two cars. The results are as expected. M5 is extremely underrated by over 75hp. M3 maybe 30hp.

Man I'm so confused now. I was certain the F80 M3 was going to be faster than the F10 M5. I mean 900lbs difference is no joke, plus all that carbon fiber in the new M3. I was gonna trade for the new F80 M3 but now I'm not so sure. At least the M3 still look hella sexy with those rear fender flares.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

1.706 60ft in a 4,400lbs M5? Now your just talking crazy talk.

He missed the part about the car having drag radials and a tune.

[pfl]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=978207

Our buddy who got an 11.08 with a BMS m5 posted a 1.706 60ft... Just saying.

That 1.706 was on DRs and 19" wheels in the rear. 1.6x 60ft is GT-R w/ launch control category (I did consistent 1.6x and a couple of 1.71 60ft when my GT-R was 100% stock including stock Dunlop tires).

It would be awesome if the M3/M4 was able to do that on stock tires but I doubt that.

[xDrive35i]

Originally Posted by john08135i

It must be nice to be rich... while here in the US we have to pay $4.50 per gallon for fuel.

Yeah and in the UK it's around $9.00 for a gallon. You have nothing to complain about.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by ASAP

He missed the part about the car having drag radials and a tune.

Jokes on you buddy. I was the first person to know that Greentrbo95gst put DR's on his M5. Too bad he did the race in wet conditions though. With dry conditions I'm sure his quarter mile time would have been slower.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Jokes on you buddy. I was the first person to know that Greentrbo95gst put DR's on his M5. Too bad he did the race in wet conditions though. With dry conditions I'm sure his quarter mile time would have been slower.

LOL, I'm with you.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by myzmak

Don't get this M5 vs M3 debtate.

An M5 weighs 4,300 lbs and has 560 hp - which is about 291.7 hp / ton (british tons)

An F8x M3 weighs 3,600 and has 425 hp - which is about 264.4 hp / ton.

They both have the torques to get them going....the M5 should be faster because it has more jam to get its bulk moving.

None of this should be a surprise.

....of course the M3 will drive very differently and, as the reviewers have all noted, it will feel lighter, more agile, etc, than even the outgoing M3.

But straight-line acceleration is meaningless. The new S63 AMG is supposed to hit 100 km/h in 4.2 seconds (http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...o-news)....but would anyone mistake driving one for driving either an M3 or an M5? Of course not.

Long story short: M5 folks: thanks for stopping by this forum. Your car is very nice, has lots of HP and is quite fast. Not as fast as other cars, but so what?


We all understand the point - unless there is something new to say, we'll see you around ok now love you bye bye.

Yup.

Bye-bye.

....yes, Grandma, i understand.....

...no I don't know how she said that, but i have to go now...

ok....bye for now....

yup. real good.

very fast.

yes.

got it.

ok, really, thanks for coming by and we'll talk soon.

ok.

ok.

yes.

yup.

uh-huh.

ok....bye bye then....

ok........

<closes door, hangs up phone, reminds all to not feed the trolls, etc>

lol You are right and I absolutely agree with you. This is M3/M4 forum and for M5/M6 owners are just a thread that we have to read and enjoy and I am really enjoying. I mean it. as you said these cars are not comparable. I think the comparison started at post #4 by member" Boss330" and this guy is trouble maker ( JK ) and then M5/M6 owners started to write some comments, but again you are right specially on "thanks for coming by and we'll talk soon.... bye bye "

BTW: OP thanks for sharing your experience. I really love M4. waiting to see your experience in race track

[FogCityM3]

Hi, actually I have ATS 19 inches superlight wheels at ~20 lbs front and ~21 lbs rear ~20 lbs savings vs zcp), and I just got the Essex AP Racing Competition BBK kit installed, which saves 38 lbs across all 4 corners due to lighter calipers, slightly smaller rotors, and two piece rotor design w/hat. PFC and other AP racing kits also offer some weight savings but probably not as large as the Essex kit..so I just assumed 45 lbs total for unsprung weight reduction, though actually I have saved 58 lbs of unsrpung weight.

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Just curious how you got the -45lb from wheels and BBK.

BBK are usually heavier than stock. 11+lb per corner from wheels seems a lot to me.

[Sean@PSI]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

My guess is that MPE will be cat back only and that Akra on their own will be offering a full line with cat delete.

+1

[justinco]

Very cool, thx for the videos!

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

lol You are right and I absolutely agree with you. This is M3/M4 forum and for M5/M6 owners are just a thread that we have to read and enjoy and I am really enjoying. I mean it. as you said these cars are not comparable. I think the comparison started at post #4 by member" Boss330" and this guy is trouble maker ( JK ) and then M5/M6 owners started to write some comments, but again you are right specially on "thanks for coming by and we'll talk soon.... bye bye "

BTW: OP thanks for sharing your experience. I really love M4. waiting to see your experience in race track

Lol!

We never had a reason to troll until all the crazy talk about M3's and M4's being faster in the straightline than an M5 by some of you nice M3 folks. Then that's when some of us M5 dudes decided to have fun. It's all in good fun though. Truth is, I still think the new F80 M3 and F82 M4 are fantastic cars, and I wish I could have one too. But unless I'm going to the racetrack every weekend, it makes no sense to downgrade. I envy the lucky few of us out there in the world who will get a chance to own both an M5/M6 and an M3/M4 at the same time.

I'll be the first to admit that the M5 is too heavy for the track and is too fast for the street. The F8x M3/M4 seems like a more sensible compromise today.

[M4TW]

Some kind of alarm must have sounded in the M5/6 kingdom alerting its privileged denizens that a few uppity M3/4 owners-to-be were boasting of an on par straight-line performance to their weighty and mighty steads. So a few brave knights donned their CP armour and raced over to quell the rebellion and restore the rightful order of things here in M world.

Fear not brave knights. God is in his heaven and everything is indeed all right with the world. The straight-line prowess of your horses has been unsullied by us folks of lesser M's. No blasphemy has been committed. You may return to your own M world on your weighty, speedy, and opulent stallions with our peaceful wishes.

Or please fak off.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by M4TW

Some kind of alarm must have sounded in the M5/6 kingdom alerting its privileged denizens that a few uppity M3/4 owners-to-be were boasting of an on par straight-line performance to their weighty and mighty steads. So a few brave knights donned their CP armour and raced over to quell the rebellion and restore the rightful order of things here in M world.

Fear not brave knights. God is in his heaven and everything is indeed all right with the world. The straight-line prowess of your horses has been unsullied by us folks of lesser M's. No blasphemy has been committed. You may return to your own M world on your weighty, speedy, and opulent stallions with our peaceful wishes.

Or please fak off.

Twas no alarm. Just the Bimmerpost Front Page.

Order restored, and let that be a lesson to all of you dregs.

I gest gest.

[ASAP]

LOLOL, the banter makes this so much more fun.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by ASAP

LOLOL, the banter makes this so much more fun.

I know, but I can't but feel I'm about a post and half away from being banned along with some other M5/M6 peeps. Lol!

Alright I'll call off the hounds.