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Furthermore, in fact, most M engines have been based upon normal series engine. This was not true of the S65 and S85, but before these it was the norm. |
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This car is going to be revolutionary from an engineering perspective and will blow minds....
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Do we anticipate the 2-door M3 to come out in 2015? I refuse to call it an M4 until BMW makes that designation official.
Even then, I wonder how many people will purchase an M4 but rebadge it as an M3
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The Key thing to always remember and one thing I do get concerned about when I read these comments from "enthusiasts" is that these are people who know exactly what they are doing in terms of goals for the car.
It is surprising how little credit the people responsible actually get from some "enthusiasts". Each car from BMW whether a series model or indeed an M. is a combination of team work that involves many departments from initial conception, design , engineering , marketing and assembly. And through this process ideas are evaluated, tested , approved and discarded until that right solution is evident. Even the assistants that pour the coffee and file the minutes are part of that process.
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Second, I stated that it's way too political to know the true answer. The Ferrari pressure certainly was a significant factor. But whatever, the point is the same, and that we agree on. |
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See: Porsche 911 turbo, f10 m5, Nissan gtr etc |
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The new M3 will be controversial of course to many but it will remain the best in its segment and be at the cutting edge of technology. Time passes, things change but beneath it all personality and mentality remain the same- M builds the best there is for the target market. Have faith in M , they have never given a reason that they will disappoint. Quote:
The new DCT in the M5/M6 does not have the same low speed issues the original in the M3 did- it is light years better.
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Can't wait to see what they bring to bear, and am sure will not be disappointed. My ONLY concern is limp mode on track. I'm not talking about warm-up, hot-lap, cool-down. I'm talking 90+ heat, open lapping for 20-30 minutes a session, multiple sessions, and be ok... This plagues all turbo cars (to date) but hopefully this is where the M division has turned the tables. I want to track my M, or else I would have bought an AMG
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And for real purists, an M3 should be <3000lbs and with a large bore 4 banger, ITBs and carbon air box. T |
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Maybe it'll be a single turbo n54 a la vishnu or hpf LOL..
In all seriousness it will probably have 2 twin scroll turbos to keep lag down and up the high end power.. I just hope it revs higher than 6,800 rpm
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While no one is questioning the abilities and passion of BMW employees or the M division, and the company has exhibited an unparalleled track record of over-achieving, corporations should nevertheless remember that "so called enthusiasts" are actually existing or potential customers. As any American automaker can attest to, the court of public opinion is one that should be respected. Ultimately, let the product speak for itself and the public will weigh the pros and cons, which will either validate the manufacturer's decisions or cause a re-evaluation. If the product is excellent (which is highly likely) and customers rave about it and want more, then BMW really has nothing to worry about.
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This would be a hybrid of N54/N55 technology using the best of both. I also remember when Scott 26 was hinting about the 1M that they were working on a system where they were having trouble getting the Valvetronic right and could not include the new M3 engine in the 1M as they needed more time to resolve the issue. This from Scott 26 also supports something similar to this type of engine. Also it is apparent that all of the recent M engines are M tuned versions of standard BMW motors. Another reason the new M3 engine may well be a Frankenstein N54/N55. I did not believe M was going to modify a standard engine on the 1M but BMW seems to have adopted this strategy. I hope the M3/4 escapes this treatment. If they are saving money on the engines I just hope they put the unused money into lightening the car. |
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05-22-2012, 11:22 PM | #196 | |
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If owners start having overheating problems during track sessions. The internet forums will blow up. I really hope they have it figured out, or be prepared for a sh*t storm. Even their most recent M example the f10 M5 has been going into limp mode in reviews. |
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05-22-2012, 11:24 PM | #197 | |
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So it could have been, but it will not be. Well, at least not for the F8x. Maybe a future M3 will get a turbocharged V8 although I think it is more likely that we'll see a KERS Hybrid or some other mashup of today's goto efficiency tech, evolved as only BMW can do of course. In the end we get faster and more efficient cars, but we probably won't ever have an 8400RPM combustion engine from BMW again. An 8400RPM electric motor? Sure, could very well be some day far down the road. |
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If it isn't true f1 technology .... And semi recent ie high revving engine turbo or not I dont want it. I love f1 and the higher revs are everything for the driving experience. If its a turbo 6 that revs to ... 7000 that's pretty plain and does not sound special at all. Might as well supercharge my v8
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