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If anyone has driven a properly tuned N54 that makes ~ 420 whp (which by the way you have to shift 1300 rpm before the S55 for peak power) then they'd know it is far from boring... that is the last word to use here. You might still be able to see the S65 in your rear view mirror but even if you can't, you might be able to hear it make noise lol.
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I have a simple response to that... once upon a time it was bemoaned endlessly that hydraulic was the death of good steering feel at the expense of comfort and light steering when power steering was introduced. It wasn't "suitable" to a sports car. Now we've moved to the next generation and the argument repeats. Not that it isn't valid in its own ways, but still a replay.
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Never forget how privileged we all are to even have such silly things to debate!
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Literally had 3 chances to buy this car over the past 5 years... passed each time. When I get to drive my friends every once in a while, I am glad I did pass... The 1M on the other hand, I cry to do this day for not being early enough.
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I also may be the only member here that is excited about the switch to eps in the new m3. I think it's going to be much better than the outgoing unit. Last edited by KKM3; 05-19-2014 at 09:33 PM.. |
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I had my friends drive my 335 and my m3, not one of them prefered the 335 to the m3... Not one. Everyone who had the oppurtunity to swing my car passed 7k rpm instantly fell in love with the car. It really is something special and I really miss my m3. Not even my v10 r8 has the kind of response and feel my3 did. It truly was something very special. |
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the modded 335i is fun because it has power everywhere. the FEEL of the power is what makes it fun. but it lacks emotion. although a lot of people do not care about the emotion factor, they are like you. They just want power and to beat other cars. and laugh at the M3 drivers because your car can go faster in a straight line. AS if there is nothing to the S65 other than its power numbers. why would anyone buy a M3 when you can tune a 335i? thats how a lot of 335i owners are. As someone who doesn't like turbo engines that much. i feel like as time goes on, and these N/A engines are not being made anymore. I feel like i would get a GTR, so at least i can beat every car on the road. thats the point of these turbos right ? |
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I think you are casting a very wide net in dismissing turbocharged engines. The reality is there are great N/A engines as well as shit ones; same goes for Turbo engines. |
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i would probably rather have a Turbo for the road. |
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I agree 100% on with your opinion about the different characteristics and how both can be fun, but perhaps in slightly different ways |
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1M, that was numero uno but limited production screwed everyone.
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Some don't. Some from your perspective also don't understand those that choose not to. I've done both. I enjoy tuning cars and working on them and seeing the gains from that work both in performance and handling. To me, messing with an M is a bit sacrilegious, they are so great as they are, and tuning them hurts the value. So I didn't do it when I had mine. Now as the years have gone by, I could see doing it to the E46 because I didn't like that one . E90 is another one I wouldn't fiddle with.
For others it is the cost, or they may simply not revere the ///M badge, so they'd rather save the money and try to match/exceed the handling for less if they can. That argument has raged on the internet since forums existed. Never putting that one to rest. I personally prefer turbo motors over N/A. I used to hand build motors on Mazda's when I owned a performance company. N/A's CAN sound so much better, and be more responsive to the foot, but turbo's have so much headroom, and properly tuned and designed can be so silky and generate so much torque in all the right places that I was hooked on that. Everybody has an opinion!
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the biggest thing guys here talk about. is the better found power in a turbo. at more useable RPMs. heres my biggest problem though. My e92 m3 had a full exhaust with a tune/8500RPM redline. the car sounded and felt very very good. the overall experience was different than a modded 335i that i drove. although both cars were fast. they did it in a different way. the 335i power comes on really early then just stays flat, not as much character. the engine doesn't even change in sound. they were different cars! now the F80 is pretty much a M modded 335i. there was more excitement watching and hearing the RPMs go above 8k. i fear the M4 will be less exciting in this sense. |
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this car's power delivery is epic. 0-60 in less than 4 secs for a 70k car is unreal, rated some 100hp plus less than the competition putting down the same times.
i was on the S65 bandwagon. still am, but now move with the times. I-6 to V8= the death of BMW in 2007-2008 V8-I-6TT= the death of BMW in 2013-2014 History repeats. This car is much faster, more fun to drive (from reviews) and subjective I like a balance between noise and power. I always hated how the S65 despite having 414hp lacked that feeling of thrusting me back in my seat. To me, it's a balance, I may have a magnificent sounding car, but I want to FEEL the power. The F8X does just that, which is what I commend BMW for. This thing will destroy the E9X in every performance test. Electronic steering? well there is a reason for the transition. it is better! they won't move backwards with these cars, even porsche has done the same Forced Induction? well this is the future. EPA has stricter regulations. European Union's EPA is perhaps the strictest in the world and always makes these bold transitions before the rest. The rest of the world will follow suit. The future lies with what is in the P1. Supplementing an electronic motor in conjunction with a forced induction motor to eliminate all lag, and increase combustion to increase performance. At the same time being "green" and sustaining good mpg. the solution to it all, get an after market exhaust, to make that S55 roar more. How could you not love that backfire after shifting from 1st to 2nd! sounds so brutal! |
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Very well said. Jeremy Laird/cmoose "got owned" (as the kids say) by Chris. Well done on Chris' part.
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