Is An M4 F80 Suitable for UK Weather?

Fallenangel123 · 10-13-2020, 12:51 PM

Hey everyone, hope you are well!

I am currently driving an A45 AMG Stage 1 and am getting an itch for something new. The A45 is 4matic, and the way it just puts power down is insane. I previously have had several N54 cars which were FBO and I loved. I am thinking about getting an M4 F80, it seems like a great car. I do however have one major concern, and that is traction. What is the M4 Traction like in the UK? Will I constantly be having to feather the throttle, will the car try and step out on me if I am cruising at 60mph and try to go WOT?

If I do end up buying one the intention will be to run it on MPS4S Tyres, MHD Stage 2+, VRSF Downpipe, VRSF Intercooler, SSR Intakes for circa (550bhp)
All input appreciated!

Many Thanks

ntg44 · 10-13-2020, 01:06 PM

This generation M3/4 traction control is the most overly aggressive programmed out of any car I've ever owned. Coming from a stock B8.5 S4, it wasn't even close. S4 was quicker to 70MPH almost all the time. I didn't even bother driving it when roads were wet, wasn't even worth it or fun.

The torque surge when dry is awesome, but you are definitely not going to be able to just stomp and mash the throttle like in an AWD car.

Tecnniqe · 10-13-2020, 01:20 PM

It's really not a problem with TC on if you don't floor it from standstill in the rain but it won't grip like a AWD car, far from it but that's the charm.

2011ninja · 10-13-2020, 03:56 PM

It's not gonna be like a 4 cylinder awd hatch.

That said a 4 cylinder awd hatch is not match for a tuned M4 in the dry.

You're gonna give up something for that 500HP mule kick to the face tuned M4 especially if it's DCT.

I've seen my TC light come on at 60 mph if I'm hot dogging the car.

Not a car you want to run TC off on public roads...

Yeah 550 HP mule kick to the face with horse shoes

bsmf8x · 10-13-2020, 04:44 PM

If you floor floor it from over 40 mph you'll be fine just leave traction in MDM if it's wet/raining. Under 40 mph it needs to be dry, warm, warm tires etc if you have any chance at all of sticking. I've turned traction fully off and started fishtailing at 40 mph because it was cold and my tires were too, and hooked from 20 mph on street tires when it's warm. It's all about temps and weather. I'm in NY for reference.

With the car in MDM, feathering the throttle isn't necessary, MDM keeps you pretty safe unless you're going nuts

YKIGI · 10-13-2020, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallenangel123

Hey everyone, hope you are well!

I am currently driving an A45 AMG Stage 1 and am getting an itch for something new. The A45 is 4matic, and the way it just puts power down is insane. I previously have had several N54 cars which were FBO and I loved. I am thinking about getting an M4 F80, it seems like a great car. I do however have one major concern, and that is traction. What is the M4 Traction like in the UK? Will I constantly be having to feather the throttle, will the car try and step out on me if I am cruising at 60mph and try to go WOT?

If I do end up buying one the intention will be to run it on MPS4S Tyres, MHD Stage 2+, VRSF Downpipe, VRSF Intercooler, SSR Intakes for circa (550bhp)
All input appreciated!

Many Thanks

Oh my my. This topic makes little to no sense to me.
A stiff, rigid, 550hp M4 ??? And you’re asking about UK B roads and traction??

No way and it won’t be fun. Period

The A45 is a far better fit for this situation. The M4 will be a downgrade in every sense but wheel spin (and I don’t mean that in a good way) FWIW

Keep it

Fallenangel123 · 10-14-2020, 07:34 AM

Thank you for the input everyone. Much appreciated

need2boost · 10-14-2020, 10:12 AM

In my own personal opinion I can't imagine the M4 being much fun on wet B roads, even more so with ultra performance tires, I would stick to looking for something AWD.

If it were me and I wanted a coupe, i would seriously be looking at an Audi TTRS.

spuntyb · 10-14-2020, 11:47 AM

Why not check out an RS3 or RS5?

deeldoo · 10-14-2020, 02:30 PM

I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast.

Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are.

If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed.

In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination.

I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC.

If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass.

If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot.

My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc.

Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass

2011ninja · 10-14-2020, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeldoo

I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast.

Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are.

If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed.

In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination.

I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC.

If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass.

If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot.

My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc.

Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeldoo

I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast.

Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are.

If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed.

In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination.

I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC.

If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass.

If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot.

My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc.

Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass

Only thing I can speak To is rain performance.

I have a new set of Continental DWS 06 and they are PHENOMENAL in the rain.

Of course you can't drive 120 mph and rip through 3 inches of standing water.

I have driven 80+ in pouring rain and you could feel exactly what the tires were doing.

The wet grip is excellent.great in light snow

Even on twisty roads...

By far my favorite tire!!!

Has truly made my M a real all Season daily driver

deeldoo · 10-14-2020, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeldoo

I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast.

Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are.

If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed.

In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination.

I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC.

If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass.

If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot.

My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc.

Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeldoo

I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast.

Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are.

If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed.

In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination.

I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC.

If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass.

If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot.

My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc.

Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass

Only thing I can speak To is rain performance.

I have a new set of Continental DWS 06 and they are PHENOMENAL in the rain.

Of course you can't drive 120 mph and rip through 3 inches of standing water.

I have driven 80+ in pouring rain and you could feel exactly what the tires were doing.

The wet grip is excellent.great in light snow

Even on twisty roads...

By far my favorite tire!!!

Has truly made my M a real all Season daily driver

Have not tried those to be fair, i used the conti extreme contacts and they were bad in rain.

Now i have potenza re71r and in mild rain they are amazing but horrible near standing water.

In the winter i use the michelin PA4 and they are so fun

2011ninja · 10-14-2020, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeldoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeldoo

I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast.

Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are.

If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed.

In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination.

I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC.

If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass.

If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot.

My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc.

Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeldoo

I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast.

Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are.

If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed.

In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination.

I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC.

If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass.

If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot.

My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc.

Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass

Only thing I can speak To is rain performance.

I have a new set of Continental DWS 06 and they are PHENOMENAL in the rain.

Of course you can't drive 120 mph and rip through 3 inches of standing water.

I have driven 80+ in pouring rain and you could feel exactly what the tires were doing.

The wet grip is excellent.great in light snow

Even on twisty roads...

By far my favorite tire!!!

Has truly made my M a real all Season daily driver

Have not tried those to be fair, i used the conti extreme contacts and they were bad in rain.

Now i have potenza re71r and in mild rain they are amazing but horrible near standing water.

In the winter i use the michelin PA4 and they are so fun

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeldoo

I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast.

Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are.

If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed.

In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination.

I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC.

If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass.

If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot.

My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc.

Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass

The Dws is an all season so you give up the pure summer performance. On the street for how I drive they are fine.

I've had them on and run the car flat out. You just can't get the next level summer performance grip.

Drive like a human they are 100% fine.

RoundelM3 · 10-15-2020, 07:28 AM

Not to be nit-picky, but an M4 is an F82, not an F80. That said, the OP could look at an M340xi with AWD (380 HP) and with a tune, it'd be well over 400 HP and as much traction as conditions will allow. Doesn't matter how many driven wheels you have when roads are slick - it's how well your tires are able to grip the road surface.

quikM2 · 10-16-2020, 05:10 PM

Simply put a UK winter is not equal to a Canadian winter especially in the prairies. We deal with tons of snow and ice and extreme cold and then a bunch of inbetween slush and freezing rain. in my experience this car handles it all on a set of dedicated winter tires. i have the pirelli sottozero 3's and from what you read / reviews there are better tires for ice/snow. nokians or PA4 / Xice3 or conti's are all great options. I have the pirelli's as they have the 'best' cold and dry traction and have the option of leaving my m3 in the garage on bad days and taking the SUV. My point though as I find these tires great in all conditions so can you drive an F80/82 etc. in the UK through winter. IMO easy fun yes.

NSX2M4 · 10-16-2020, 06:10 PM

It all comes down to tires. If the car is on PSS or PS4, it sucks in the wet. Period.

stormlv · 10-18-2020, 05:38 AM

Here is a "worse case" scenario where I hydroplaned. I was on PSSs IRC.

But there was a shit ton of water and it would have probably happened with any car.

I for one don't really see how it could *not* be suitable for UK...

Fallenangel123 · 10-31-2020, 11:55 AM

Thank you all for input. I went to view a M4 Convertible today and I am sold. I am sure my A45 does have better traction, but I feel like the M4 will be more of an event to drive. Plus I want those SSR intakes! haha

maddmatth · 10-31-2020, 06:51 PM

Try the M4 stock for a while before you go crazy with upgrades. Floor it in MDM mode and see if you really want more power. 430HP in a RWD car is still a lot...
The MPS4S tyres will honestly be the best upgrade to start with, unless you just want to kill yourself

Also make sure the software is up to date. DSC and electronic diff behaviour was massively improved over older software which makes loss of traction much more predictable and controllable, you'll definitely want that for the rain.

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Fallenangel123 Private First Class 24 Rep 100 Posts Drives: Z4 35is DCT Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Is An M4 F80 Suitable for UK Weather? Hey everyone, hope you are well! I am currently driving an A45 AMG Stage 1 and am getting an itch for something new. The A45 is 4matic, and the way it just puts power down is insane. I previously have had several N54 cars which were FBO and I loved. I am thinking about getting an M4 F80, it seems like a great car. I do however have one major concern, and that is traction. What is the M4 Traction like in the UK? Will I constantly be having to feather the throttle, will the car try and step out on me if I am cruising at 60mph and try to go WOT? If I do end up buying one the intention will be to run it on MPS4S Tyres, MHD Stage 2+, VRSF Downpipe, VRSF Intercooler, SSR Intakes for circa (550bhp) All input appreciated! Many Thanks
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ntg44 Colonel 2889 Rep 2,147 Posts Drives: R8 4.2 Spyder Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Chicago iTrader: (3)	This generation M3/4 traction control is the most overly aggressive programmed out of any car I've ever owned. Coming from a stock B8.5 S4, it wasn't even close. S4 was quicker to 70MPH almost all the time. I didn't even bother driving it when roads were wet, wasn't even worth it or fun. The torque surge when dry is awesome, but you are definitely not going to be able to just stomp and mash the throttle like in an AWD car. __________________ YT: ntg44
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2011ninja Colonel 3396 Rep 2,629 Posts Drives: 2022 G80 6MT Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Connecticut iTrader: (0)	It's not gonna be like a 4 cylinder awd hatch. That said a 4 cylinder awd hatch is not match for a tuned M4 in the dry. You're gonna give up something for that 500HP mule kick to the face tuned M4 especially if it's DCT. I've seen my TC light come on at 60 mph if I'm hot dogging the car. Not a car you want to run TC off on public roads... Yeah 550 HP mule kick to the face with horse shoes
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bsmf8x Lieutenant Colonel 779 Rep 1,636 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: NY iTrader: (1)	If you floor floor it from over 40 mph you'll be fine just leave traction in MDM if it's wet/raining. Under 40 mph it needs to be dry, warm, warm tires etc if you have any chance at all of sticking. I've turned traction fully off and started fishtailing at 40 mph because it was cold and my tires were too, and hooked from 20 mph on street tires when it's warm. It's all about temps and weather. I'm in NY for reference. With the car in MDM, feathering the throttle isn't necessary, MDM keeps you pretty safe unless you're going nuts
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need2boost New Member 27 Rep 26 Posts Drives: 2017 BMW m4 SO Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: MO iTrader: (0)	In my own personal opinion I can't imagine the M4 being much fun on wet B roads, even more so with ultra performance tires, I would stick to looking for something AWD. If it were me and I wanted a coupe, i would seriously be looking at an Audi TTRS.
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10-14-2020, 02:30 PM	#10
deeldoo Captain 1122 Rep 845 Posts Drives: BMW M4 - DCT 2016 Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	I mean, i live in canada and daily drive it in the winter and it is a blast. Definitely depends on what you want. We have semi similar climates but with the UK being more rainy and less cold somewhat depending where you are. If you drive the car in warm weather in the dry everything is fine unless you are beating on it, the one thing i struggle with this car is the potential for it to slide mid corner and ive had it happen twice to me somewhat non progressively. Granted they were shit stock contis. Everything else about the car is progressive and should be easily managed. In the rain though the car is a pain in the ass to drive, even in MDM barely into the throttle from a standstill i have had the back end kick out. It is actually easier to drive in the snow on snow tires as you know that it will slide everytime so you just drive sideways, counter-steer, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination. I hate driving this car in rain out of any weather as it has a potential to hydroplane with extreme performance tires, it lacks grip, and the low end torque is just enough to make the car twitch but not enough to fully engage a controlled slide. So i find myself either driving like a grandma or constantly bucking the car back and forth cause of the TC. If you want to make life tough most of the year and you are young enough to not care and don't give a fuck about passengers then sure get it, but if you spend most of your time in bad conditions especially rain i would pass. If you get a lot of snow, get the M4 if you enjoy sliding around a lot. My ideal day here in canada is waking up on a frigid sunday morning after a snow storm really early at around 6 30 am. No cars on the roads, not alot of side roads are snow ploughed. I hop in the car take traction control off put on some classical music and leave my house. I will drive sideways for as long as i possibly can playing with the pitch and angle of the car, seeing what nice shapes i can make, etc. Sorry for the rambling, if you get alot of snow where you are get it, you won't regret it. This car is the most fun to drive in snow. If it is in rain then pass
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10-15-2020, 07:28 AM	#14
RoundelM3 Major General 1837 Rep 6,990 Posts Drives: 15 F80 M3, 22 G01 X3 30i Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clayton, NC iTrader: (2) Garage List 2022 BMW X3 [9.83] 2015 BMW M3 [6.50]	Not to be nit-picky, but an M4 is an F82, not an F80. That said, the OP could look at an M340xi with AWD (380 HP) and with a tune, it'd be well over 400 HP and as much traction as conditions will allow. Doesn't matter how many driven wheels you have when roads are slick - it's how well your tires are able to grip the road surface. __________________ 2015 F80 ///M3 Sedan 7DCT Tanzanite, 2022 X3 sDrive30i 8AT Brooklyn Grey
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10-16-2020, 05:10 PM	#15
quikM2 Captain 371 Rep 743 Posts Drives: 2017 Jahre M3 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	Simply put a UK winter is not equal to a Canadian winter especially in the prairies. We deal with tons of snow and ice and extreme cold and then a bunch of inbetween slush and freezing rain. in my experience this car handles it all on a set of dedicated winter tires. i have the pirelli sottozero 3's and from what you read / reviews there are better tires for ice/snow. nokians or PA4 / Xice3 or conti's are all great options. I have the pirelli's as they have the 'best' cold and dry traction and have the option of leaving my m3 in the garage on bad days and taking the SUV. My point though as I find these tires great in all conditions so can you drive an F80/82 etc. in the UK through winter. IMO easy fun yes.
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10-16-2020, 06:10 PM	#16
NSX2M4 Major 1378 Rep 1,332 Posts Drives: 2019 M4 ZCP- RIVIAN R1S QUAD Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: FTL, FL iTrader: (1)	It all comes down to tires. If the car is on PSS or PS4, it sucks in the wet. Period.
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10-18-2020, 05:38 AM	#17
stormlv Human 932 Rep 1,200 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Geneva iTrader: (1)	Here is a "worse case" scenario where I hydroplaned. I was on PSSs IRC. But there was a shit ton of water and it would have probably happened with any car. I for one don't really see how it could not be suitable for UK... __________________ 2023 BMW M4 CP xDr \| 510HP / 650Nm \| Isle of Man Green \| Photo album Sold 2018 BMW M4 DCT / ZCP\| 450HP / 550Nm \| Sakhir Orange \| Photo album \| Tribute Sold 2014 BMW 435xd \| 360HP / 710Nm \| Estoril Blue \| Photo album 2010 BMW Z4 sDrive35i DKG \| 306 HP / 400Nm \| Space Gray \| Photo album
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10-31-2020, 11:55 AM	#18
Fallenangel123 Private First Class 24 Rep 100 Posts Drives: Z4 35is DCT Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Thank you all for input. I went to view a M4 Convertible today and I am sold. I am sure my A45 does have better traction, but I feel like the M4 will be more of an event to drive. Plus I want those SSR intakes! haha
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10-31-2020, 06:51 PM	#19
maddmatth Major 555 Rep 922 Posts Drives: F82 M4, E92 335i Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New Zealand iTrader: (0)	Try the M4 stock for a while before you go crazy with upgrades. Floor it in MDM mode and see if you really want more power. 430HP in a RWD car is still a lot... The MPS4S tyres will honestly be the best upgrade to start with, unless you just want to kill yourself Also make sure the software is up to date. DSC and electronic diff behaviour was massively improved over older software which makes loss of traction much more predictable and controllable, you'll definitely want that for the rain.
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