Peter for sale because of LED's.

[Lups]

I love my car. I love the sound, the speed, I love the way it handles corners, fuck, I loved taking it to gravel. It is by far the best car I've ever owned, but it does not meet my needs. Here is why.

My real life, the 50 weeks in a year I'm not on some insane adventurous road trip, all I get to do with him mildly fast runs at night. For the last nine years that has been my escape, and the way I get my head cleared for the next day.

So why the lights that you all love drive me insane? The reasons are many.

The long beams come up too late. With the adaptive function and euro coding it is well beyond safe conditions when they start working, I mean it is too dark.

Fine you say, move on.

The thing is, without the adaptive feature, and it shifting the light from on coming traffic without putting the high beams off completely, the lights are extremely bright, and aimed badly. They are very, very wide, which of course is great on a freeway with no on coming traffic, but they are all around bad in real life.

The LED's shut off because of speed limit signs at times, because the lights are aimed so high. On both setups, the American standard and with the coding, this has happened to me multiple times. Also, I don't need to see the tree tops, I need to see the root level.

The light channels demonstrated in the videos are great. In real life, on a curvy road it gives wild life a good chance to hide since the adaptive lights forms shapes that will not give your eyes the chance to adapt.

I am 33 and I have perfect night vision. I also have the training for driving done in Finland, and I've had my fair share of bad encounters with wildlife. The photos below are just a mild demonstration. I just drove through 2/3 of Canada, and 1/3 of USA at night time, and I truly hope you consider my findings if you are driving at night like I am a lot.

As you know, I'm not a racer but I enjoy my speed, and I enjoy the quietness of night times. This technology will deliver later, but right now it is extremely harmful and quite dangerous.


I had to pay 10 dollars to get the tools for the demonstrative photos shown, so you know you're seeing quality shots below. I truly hope you have nicer kids than I have, since this thread has cost me a lot. All donations of horse photos will cut the cost down, so just send those if you disagree with me.

There has been questions about my coding done wrong, and anyone mildly local who wants to check my settings is welcome to do so. I truly hope the guy who has done these for years fucked up, but the guy let me have the both settings for a week before I went on my latest road trip.

The spice jars are trees, the horses moose, the cars are cars. I could really make a living as an artist as you see.



The lights being useful, when I'm tailgating, I can see the surroundings while not blinding the man who's bumper I'm looking at.



This happened a week ago, The first moose further stepped on the road, I applied brakes and while doing that, an other one stepped to the road. pure dumb luck saved me, since I didn't know there was a moose closer than the first seen was. These situations happens on two seconds time, so please tell me all about how you would put the adaptives off and switch to manual mode, while calculating the first moose's path. If the brakes were not what they are, this would've been a nasty crash.



On coming traffic won't be blinded, but since their headlights are not pointing to the road shared, a moose was coming both of our way and neither saw it coming. I got mine into a full stop, he got his into my lane and the man driving from the opposite direction actually asked me wtf was going on with my lights when neither of us spotted the furry BIG thing earlier. I told him I loved my lights so much I am done driving at night.

The light tunnels are good while on city areas, and there are other sources of light around you. In darkness where I drive, they form shadows where there shouldn't be one and them changing patterns irrationally I can not see them as anything else but a safety hazard.

As said, I have a really good and moderately young eyes and they were tested before my latest road trip because I was hoping this is just me complaining, but it wasn't the reason. A human eye is slow to adapt from the brightness provided by the LED's to the darkness and extremely short low beams they give us.

I had on this trip a ride in an M5 with the xenons, and the lights in that were all around more forgiving. the traffic signs alone not causing problems are a reason enough for me to sell my car and to find something that can be driven my style at the times I can hit the pavement.

@Mkoesel please don't move to this to the picture side just yet. I know the shots above are so good you're tempted to do so, but this thread was made to show the real safety issues my slow (women don't drive fast as we all know) miles done have given me a reason to report.

14 000 km's in 14 days. Please do argue with me.

Oh, a big pool of water two hundred meters in front of me got the lights shut off once too. on a wet asphalt, that was extra nice.

[Nomana]

I can understand the moose thing. Good visual explaination

[MrPrena]

IF coding didn't work, I would probably go with what you said.

Is this better explanation of what you are trying to say?

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Nomana

I can understand the moose thing. Good visual explaination

I was quite proud of my photos until I saw them from my laptop.

Anyone who drives and prefers driving at night should consider my words. On dry and risk free environment the LED's are really good.

The animal doesn't need to be a killer size to cause damage, a dog or a coyote can cause a fuck load of damage too. I didn't see those on my last run, so this thread is the real life situations I did encounter.

The big thing is, if you actually drive without light pollution (rural areas) anyone will agree with me. I have 45 000 km's ( 28 k hamburgers) under my belt, and abt 28 k km's (17 hamburgers) done in the dark. those done with the basic american settings is abt 10k, 0.3 k done with the bad american fix, and the rest I have done with the latest settings.

Truly, I have tried to find ways to see I'd be the one wrong here. Until someone has more miles in the dark I have done, you guys should truly listen up.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by MrPrena

IF coding didn't work, I would probably go with what you said.

Is this better explanation of what you are trying to say?

Yes, but there is a bus in front which will take on the beef on the road.

Me driving the as the first is my high beams going off while something like a traffic sign comes up leaving me in the dark.

Sure, I know how to drive slowly. I just would prefer not to.

As said, the adaptive lights are considerate on city areas towards other drivers, but they work badly when there are no other sources than the cars coming towards you.

[MrPrena]

Originally Posted by Lups

Yes, but there is a bus in front which will take on the beef on the road.

Me driving the first is my high beams going off while something like a traffic sign comes up leaving me in the dark.

Sure, I know how to drive slowly. I just would prefer not to.

As said, the adaptive lights are considerate on city areas towards other drivers, but they work badly when there are no other sources as the cars coming towards you.

i saw the part 2 version, and I now know what you are trying to say.

[WAY]

I'm confused about the moose thing. Are you saying the wide beam thrown by the adaptive LED scared the animals and hence they run onto the road? And what do you mean the LED shuts off when it reflects off the road signs? Do you mean it goes from high beam to normal beam?

[04RC51]

I can confirm u hate them! But I love them so f@ck you! Keep the car and don't drive near Mooses.

I'm sick of all this shit! I want an M3, I wanna sell Peter, I hate LEDs. He won you a fukn trophy! A trophy! And you wanna sell him to some jackhole who will probably put knockoff downpipes on him and complain that his leather shows wear.

A trophy!

[Lups]

Originally Posted by WAY

I'm confused about the moose thing. Are you saying the wide beam thrown by the adaptive LED scared the animals and hence they run onto the road? And what do you mean the LED shuts off when it reflects off the road signs? Do you mean it goes from high beam to normal beam?

No I am not and yes I am.

Herbivores work like this: "mom showed us this path, we are taking it. Dusk and dawn, we go this same route".

The adaptive on euro coding shuts off when bright lights are detected (to low beams). Speed limit signs truly cause issues when no other sources are around.

I'm known to follow all regulated limits adaptively. Ask all the cops who have pulled me over

With xenons driving at night gives your eyes time to adapt. With leds you're at their mercy.

My normal beams are 15 meters in front of me. On my last run I averaged 201kph on one run for four hours (one petrol stop included). Do tell me how 15 meters work with my speeds (that are completely normal house wife speeds recorded)

I truly think more light is less visibility. On my drives this has become clear enough and I started this thread to show other night drivers what to consider.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by 04RC51

I can confirm u hate them! But I love them so f@ck you! Keep the car and don't drive near Mooses.

I'm sick of all this shit! I want an M3, I wanna sell Peter, I hate LEDs. He won you a fukn trophy! A trophy! And you wanna sell him to some jackhole who will probably put knockoff downpipes on him and complain that his leather shows wear.

A trophy!

Dude you completely ruined my image of you.

Fuck off. You are a great personality and a likeable man. You calling me a bitching fucker doesn't work. Your cover has been blown to bits.

Now, go kiss Mrs BC good night, and pet my trophy on your way. You're a nice guy beyond compare and ask questions abt my findings instead of posting cats where my kids will see them. I cant get one, those are too scary.

[04RC51]

Originally Posted by Lups

Dude you completely ruined my image of you.

Fuck off. You are a great personality and a likeable man. You calling me a bitching fucker doesn't work. Your cover has been blown to bits.

Now, go kiss Mrs BC good night, and pet my trophy on your way. You're a nice guy beyond compare and ask questions abt my findings instead of posting cats where my kids will see them. I cant get one, those are too scary.

Made you feel bad for wanting to sell your trophy winner, didn't I? Good, it worked! Now delete this thread and enjoy Peter!

[Lups]

Originally Posted by 04RC51

Made you feel bad for wanting to sell your trophy winner, didn't I? Good, it worked! Now delete this thread and enjoy Peter!

Or...
Keep him and replace the Audi with a GC M6 or an M5?

One toy, one serious... No led's.

I am writing you up again later this week. The blog now shows you as a bland picture. I had no time to think you through. But after Wyoming you're so blown away from the image.

Bc. I'm honored to have your phone number so I can call bs faster on your ass than the forum reloads when needed.

Oh, the orchids will have their own chapter just for Mrs BC and for your brother in this last trips last post.

[Donger Kim]

Why don't you just code them off and go with the old fashion high berms on/off manually?

i am in a similar situation as you. I live in bellevue but make the drive to Vancouver/canada 3-4 times a month on business. I am picking up my car in Munich next week and can't wait to code these bad boy's!

[S65V8]

sweet diorama!

interesting point on the shadows created during dazzle mode in darkness, I know what you mean, as the dazzle occurs there are shadows / darkness created in your field of vision that shouldn't be there vs. normal xenons where the lights field of vision is constant and defined.

[F83]

Hate to say it but it sounds as though the adaptive lighting isn't quite ready for prime time.

You'd think if you hate the LEDs you would be able to swap out the lighting module for Xenons. Wouldn't be cheap but cheaper than new car and selling...

[gblansten]

1. Did you name your car Peter?
2. The area near the organic free trade oregano needs repair.

[Blksnowflake]

Well at least I like your models, that's some ingenuity right there. I'll keep reading to see if I can figure what you're whining about exactly. I think I do but.....not sure.

[Blindside_137]

If I ever saw a first world problem...

[WAY]

Originally Posted by Lups

No I am not and yes I am.

Herbivores work like this: "mom showed us this path, we are taking it. Dusk and dawn, we go this same route".

The adaptive on euro coding shuts off when bright lights are detected (to low beams). Speed limit signs truly cause issues when no other sources are around.

I'm known to follow all regulated limits adaptively. Ask all the cops who have pulled me over

With xenons driving at night gives your eyes time to adapt. With leds you're at their mercy.

My normal beams are 15 meters in front of me. On my last run I averaged 201kph on one run for four hours (one petrol stop included). Do tell me how 15 meters work with my speeds (that are completely normal house wife speeds recorded)

I truly think more light is less visibility. On my drives this has become clear enough and I started this thread to show other night drivers what to consider.

Ah ok I got it. Silly question, can't you turn the adaptive function off? I have never tried and I literally live in the city centre of 4 million people so your issue isn't one that affects me.

[IB M]

No car has good enough lights to make running 200 kph or 120 mph at night for 4 hours a safe proposition. You should add a Baja style truck light bar to the roof.

[Falafel Combo]

Filed under "whaaaaaaaaah???"

This must be the lamest reason EVER to sell an ///M car. Time for a driver mod, eih?

I gather that you are a hot chick, so you won't get too many folks here ragging on you about this. In fact, many will sympathize and offer you hugs and snuggles.

Poor Peter.

[Bluex]

Lups , there are a few things here, and we've been around this hoopty do revue a few times before over these lights, but here are my thoughts.

When I initially did my Euro Coding (just removing the 2 limiting feature codes from FA and then VO coding all ecu's) I thought "My God, this is awful". It's functionality was so damned limited, not enough light, turning off beams too late, poor light coverage, terrible fill in spots, ect. That started me posting to the Adaptive LED thread about how this feature just didn't work. Luckily there were others not accepting of the LED functionality and highly respected coders of 2 BMW boards working hard at diligently ( dmnc02 and others) and finding the issues and working to correct them. They have.....and I literally experienced every one of your complaints prior.

I was at the point prior to this that I was going to simply code out the Euro features and never even use HBA. Btw, Lups, you still CAN do that without having to sell your M, right? You can manually control them if you don't care for the lights.

My point is though, and I know i've said this before, but now that the issues with adaptive euro anti-dazzle have been corrected and tested (admittedly small sample size though), don't you think it's in your best interest to confirm that yours are coded correctly? I'm not accusing you at all......just saying, grab dmnc02 's cheat sheet in the LED thread towards the last few pages and confirm or have a coder confirm for you as you look in as well that they are done correctly. There are 3 different coding steps involved.

The best way, truly, is to simply get a cable and esys and look at the values yourself. Hell, if you don't feel comfortable enough to code it, that's fine, but just learn how to connect to your car and view what values have been set.

Once it's been confirmed to be coded correctly then you can make a judgement whether or not you like it. You very well may still not, who knows.....but I wouldn't SELL your car till you know for sure, right?

Btw, I did the bulk of my testing on these lights driving through middle upstate NY all the way down to central PA......many many miles, in the dark and through mountains. Plenty of truly dark skies, very little light pollution and they worked marvelously.

I wouldn't have sold my car with how horribly the LED's with Euro adaptive *initially* performed, but as I said, it was enough for me to simply never use any HBA feature again.

But after it was corrected.....this is part of my daily night driving routine and I have to say I like it. I see so much more on the road and the side of the road than I ever did before.

Confirm for yourself, don't rely on what others tell you.....especially if it has you wanting to sell your car