Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by swagon

Cool mum with a P-car, hope it'll treat her well

My mum has expressed interest in a new car, too, she likes the X1. It'll soon be 11 years with the 135i so time for a change. Nothing will ever replace that old BMW inline-six-manual-short-overhangs recipe, though...

True that! Miss those good ol' days! Get off my lawn...AARRGGHH! I wasn't too thrilled with the new X1 loaner I had because it was all touch screen and I'm so used to the dial control. Car drives well though.

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Beautiful Cayenne and that is a really great discount! Didnt realize thats where the market is.

Thanks! Yea, black on black isn't what I wanted because I have to do the maintenance work to keep it clean, but I love the turbo design wheels so much more than the current spyder style variants they are putting on everything - especially because of the ease of cleaning process.

On the pricing front, I was actually negotiating on a cheaper car with the smaller S style wheels and the black plastic wheel arch trims. It was 91k and I offered $78k, saying a friend had just paid $80k for a $92k car in July - which was true. They came back at 80k and wanted to mark up the Porsche rate from 7.24% to 9.24% and I said look $79k and I'd walk if rate were marked up. They came back at $78.9k and Porsche rate. The discount was exactly 12.99999%.

I then said could you do the same discount on the one with the larger wheels (cars were substantively identical) because I stumbled on that one during the process and they said yup (I say stumbled because neither car was on their site but both were on the Porsche website - weird bc sticker suggests it was a May 2024 production - so it's not that new to dealer lot). So the same discount came out to $81,440.87 on a $93,610 car. I think Porsche is throwing trunk money to the tune of $5k per car. These cars start at something like $10k higher than last year and they are sitting. I think I posted further up about all the punched cars within 500 miles of LA. 90 Cayennes with under 50 miles marked as used on Porsche finder but listed as new on dealer sites. Tried to get one from Newport and they never got back to me. Car was punched 08/31/24. In sum, given invoice of $83,780, with 5k trunk money, dealer made $2600 and moves on to hopefully get 911 allocation.

[W///]

On a semi related note about Porsche, my current pick is a 981 Boxster Spyder. Drove my friend's 981 GT4 when it was new and just didn't think the car was that interesting due to long gearing in normal driving. It was however, one of the most confidence inspiring cars I've ever driven and insanely fun when you have room to push it. I just think the 981 BS would be such a good balance, because it would provide top down drama at slow speeds.

Having said all that, I have to say that the M4 GTS is INSANE value at the moment. I know it's kind of apples vs oranges, but this one with only 12k miles, carbon buckets and knuckles done at $75k is crazy to me:
https://www.corsagalleriallc.com/det...w-m4/106381672


I don't think there's anything from Porsche at $75k that touches the GTS for a "weekend" car. I'm completely blown away by mine (even though it's losing value daily )

[minn19]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

All of the boxsters and gt4s have the second gear grind!
The trick was to pull 2nd gear towards your right pocket in order to avoid it. Loved the long gearing in the car. I just don’t miss the small fuel tank and insane amount of grip. The car was always planted. Chassis never moved around. I know it’s an odd complaint. There was so much grip; a true grip car. it was ridiculous. Zero chassis drama.

Remember it was user error across all the platforms with the same 6MT! Sorry, still a little bitter from that RL thread when I think abut it.

My solution was to do a quick half second pause between 1st and second, then it never happened again.

[clutchdj]

RL is good for their OCD level DIY write-ups. Lots of OG’s are still around; but man some do get carried away with correcting each other. Even my gt3 box can grind second if not warmed up properly, however the gt4 grind was easy to duplicate. I think it has to do with the drivetrain layout. Some guy posted about the pocket trick & it really worked for me. Never had a grind again during the yr that I owned it.

[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by W///

On a semi related note about Porsche, my current pick is a 981 Boxster Spyder. Drove my friend's 981 GT4 when it was new and just didn't think the car was that interesting due to long gearing in normal driving. It was however, one of the most confidence inspiring cars I've ever driven and insanely fun when you have room to push it. I just think the 981 BS would be such a good balance, because it would provide top down drama at slow speeds.

Having said all that, I have to say that the M4 GTS is INSANE value at the moment. I know it's kind of apples vs oranges, but this one with only 12k miles, carbon buckets and knuckles done at $75k is crazy to me:
https://www.corsagalleriallc.com/det...w-m4/106381672


I don't think there's anything from Porsche at $75k that touches the GTS for a "weekend" car. I'm completely blown away by mine (even though it's losing value daily )

You are right.
I remember in the bierman interview when he referenced himself as the guy “spending all of the money”.
Bmw is not making a street-able track car with a cage like this again.
Now I need another car.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

Thanks! Yea, black on black isn't what I wanted because I have to do the maintenance work to keep it clean, but I love the turbo design wheels so much more than the current spyder style variants they are putting on everything - especially because of the ease of cleaning process.

On the pricing front, I was actually negotiating on a cheaper car with the smaller S style wheels and the black plastic wheel arch trims. It was 91k and I offered $78k, saying a friend had just paid $80k for a $92k car in July - which was true. They came back at 80k and wanted to mark up the Porsche rate from 7.24% to 9.24% and I said look $79k and I'd walk if rate were marked up. They came back at $78.9k and Porsche rate. The discount was exactly 12.99999%.

I then said could you do the same discount on the one with the larger wheels (cars were substantively identical) because I stumbled on that one during the process and they said yup (I say stumbled because neither car was on their site but both were on the Porsche website - weird bc sticker suggests it was a May 2024 production - so it's not that new to dealer lot). So the same discount came out to $81,440.87 on a $93,610 car. I think Porsche is throwing trunk money to the tune of $5k per car. These cars start at something like $10k higher than last year and they are sitting. I think I posted further up about all the punched cars within 500 miles of LA. 90 Cayennes with under 50 miles marked as used on Porsche finder but listed as new on dealer sites. Tried to get one from Newport and they never got back to me. Car was punched 08/31/24. In sum, given invoice of $83,780, with 5k trunk money, dealer made $2600 and moves on to hopefully get 911 allocation.

Thanks for all of the info that is really helpful! I agree the price of the Cayenne has gotten outrageous as nearly every base model with even a few options is north of $90K msrp. Porsche has never been a value brand but still its a bit hard to stomache when compared to an X5 or similar.

How is the engine in the base model? I have the prior gen Cayenne S and love it but have never driven the base model to compare.

[W///]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

You are right.
I remember in the bierman interview when he referenced himself as the guy “spending all of the money”.
Bmw is not making a street-able track car with a cage like this again.
Now I need another car.

I think the car just got a super bad rep when the reviews came out because people either compared it to a much more expensive GT3RS, or they expected it to be a dual purpose car, which isn't the case.

When you look at the list of stuff they threw at it, it makes the CSL's look kind of pedestrian compared to a base model:
1) Water injection
2) Adjustable aero
3) Factory coilovers
4) Factory roll cage
5) Optional carbon wheels
6) EU only fixed carbon buckets
7) Still has CF driveshaft
8) Standard carbon ceramics
9) Titanium muffler

I went into the test drive thinking it would be a faster F82 and I was dead wrong. This truly is a case of where the car on paper might not look that different, but in reality, it's not even the same car. it's an M with no soft edges, and the only car I can think of that's like that is the Z4M.

It's very much a one trick pony, but boy do I enjoy it. Not that this matters, but I've never received more thumbs up or complete strangers wanting to talk about the car.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Thanks for all of the info that is really helpful! I agree the price of the Cayenne has gotten outrageous as nearly every base model with even a few options is north of $90K msrp. Porsche has never been a value brand but still its a bit hard to stomache when compared to an X5 or similar.

How is the engine in the base model? I have the prior gen Cayenne S and love it but have never driven the base model to compare.

It is the V6 from the Macan and just VW engine. It does its job fine and it isn't the dumb I4, so a base Cayenne for most people would do perfectly fine. Just like the base Macan does fine for most because general population don't care about the intricacies when it comes to loving cars.

Btw this is for everyone but has anyone received an email for in person study from Porsche? Have you done it and how did it go?