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thanks everyone. i will not be getting these brakes haha. i thought they would be a nice touch when i get rid of the car for the re sale value.
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Proper track pads will stop the car with steel rotors equally well, or better. CCB's are great for lower weight, lower dusting, and lower maintenance (don't need to swap pads for track) and longer lifespan. I would personally consider them if they were a $1K option, and if the cost of replacement pads/rotors was at most 2x of the traditional pads / rotors. Not at $8K premium at purchase and $5K replacement cost of consumables ... Quote:
On track / high temperature environments, one would need to swap high-temp / track pads (admittedly a nuisance) to match/exceed CCB consistency. Those can be had for ~$600 for all four corners. Street cold weather downsides of CCB brakes were well described by CSanto. a
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Just curious, is this proven ? Has there been a test of the non-ceramic vs ceramic equipped M cars ? I know there are tests on the Porsche's, but these ain't no porsche. Nor can we assume that the BMW non CCB brake system are comparable to the Porsche's.
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It's all there, there are two articles that tested CCB vs irons . You are right though, as far as I know, there have not been any comparison of the ///M CCB vs Iron rotors. However, the MCCB are sourced from the same supplier as the PCCB. Further, through sound engineering deduction, it is fairly safe to assume that the CCB will not offer any braking performance advantage for street use.
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Anyway, regarding the engineering, I thought the CCB contact surface was larger, but not sure about the coef of friction between the two brake systems. I wish someone would just test them side by side for crying out loud. Probably wouldn't stop the fan boys from either camp tho
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When the tires are the limiting factor, the above is irrelevant .
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A lot of false info from NON-CCB owners.. How do they "know" so much about something they dont use on a daily basis . unless they lowkey stalk CCB threads and articles
I've driven a Non-CCB M4 and CCB equipped M4 (My personal M4 has CCB's) Even during spirited driving (NOT ON TRACK) The CCB bite and pedal feel is far superior once warmed up... Also considering the fact that the brake booster is different, the pedal feel is far more race-car like compared to a stock M4/M3 brakes.. CCB has noticeably less pedal travel and once slammed, the BITE is nearly twice as hard If you're a pu**y driver, you dont need CCB's... Irons will get the job done. If you enjoy the passion of driving even a little, and are passionate about sports cars, CCB's will put a smile on your face while driving, looking, and cleaning (as there is no visible brake dust!!! haha)
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This I agree 100%. I have Ccb on my m4 and my gf has a m235i, the Ccb really do have a better bite almost instantaneous in clamping the rotor and the pedal feel is much firmer. The m235i brakes seems mushy after driving our cars back to back. Braking Distance probably the same but the feel and bite alone is worth getting Ccb |
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As I have posted previously, this is a very valid reason to opt for the CCB
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Can you point out that "false info" you are alluding to
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So I have CCB's, DP's, JB4 on my 6spd M3. The CCB's are easily my favorite part on the car (besides it being a 6spd). I remember when the Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale came out and had carbon brakes, I had a set of Stoptechs on my car at the time and remember calling Stoptech asking for carbon rotors. They were price prohibitive for me at the time but that is what started my obsession with one day having a car with carbon/ceramic brakes. When the F80 came out with CCB's as an option...it was a no-brainer & the order was placed. I have no regrets at all. I know I've said it before, but the grin I get seeing the CCB's as I walk up to my car everyday...it's the BEST This "sorta thing" is what justifies CCB's for an enthusiast.
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+1 for CCB - I will definitely check off that box when its time to place the order.
Tech reason: I track the car. Yes I can swap out pads/fluid but Im not a mechanic, dont have access to shop/tools. Financial reason: Outlay of cash for a Brembo/AP/Stoptech BBK is financially irresponsible when you can finance the 8k(assuming you paid MSRP instead of the 7.5k invoice cost) at <2% over the life of your loan. my 2c for my position- everyone is different. |
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It seems the irons are still offered standard with the CCB being a no cost option on the GTS
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=365
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Most interesting development is the advent of 3d stranded CCB, three manufacturers make them. Unlike MCCBS or PCCBS they are strand pressured and not resin C SiC. They do not have the same issues when cold, and their operating temperature has been tested all the way to -40. Life expectancy with Pagid type pads is 300,000 kms. Note, that I know people in Montreal whom loose a set every 2nd/3d winter, corrosion and TV getting the best of steel rotors. This is perhaps the worse issue about steel rotors here- they are terrible coming out of winter corrode 300-1000 percent faster due to Saline exposure (at 10 grams / square meter, that is over 1000 µm/year so 1mm) but Canada uses 25% salinity, so that wet winter stuff is twice the sea salinity level of 11%. Eats as much as 2mm steel per year unless washed. The Central and Southern US has none of these issues, and not even northern states. The last 25% of the cast iron disks (so 75-100,000 kms) they offer all these annoyances- squeals, pulsations and sagittal rust from the edge inward etc. To get 100,000 kms per 370x30 Brembo I had to bed them in as often as possible on a warm day in winter. But when -10C is your warmest day in weeks, one is out of luck. In this context, 3dCCBs offer a significant advantage: no rust no dust, low temperature operating condition, and lower cost than cast iron Brembos in the Snow Belt. Sure, those leasing their cars are better without CCBs. But those keeping theirs for 10 years, and driving them in winter, a 3dCCB front set will cost less than 3-4 M Performance Sets and outperform it by far because you do not spend 100,000 kms out of 300,000 driving end of life, pulsating and squealing cast irons affected by temperature and corrosion. |
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