Evolve x Bilstein B6 Damptronic Dampers F80 M F82 M4 F83 M4

[Nickshawf80]

Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

Eibachs will work fine with our B6 Dampers but MSS with B6 provide amazing ride and handling. Its what Joe tested in the video above and the same in my video posted earlier in this thread. Only negative with MSS on these dampers is they don't allow the car to be very low on the front from aesthetic point of view for some people.

So just one final question, seeing as these were made for cars on lowering springs is there any reason why they were not made shorter to compliment a sorter spring, my understanding of lowering springs with standard shocks is that the shock is starting at a compressed point and not being able to work effectively. Forgive me if this is a silly question as I'm not very technically minded but trying to understand.

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Nickshawf80

So just one final question, seeing as these were made for cars on lowering springs is there any reason why they were not made shorter to compliment a sorter spring, my understanding of lowering springs with standard shocks is that the shock is starting at a compressed point and not being able to work effectively. Forgive me if this is a silly question as I'm not very technically minded but trying to understand.

Because technically there was no need to make them any different as they work with no compromise within the range we wanted to lower then ie minus 30mm.

Bilstein UK were happy to sign off our version knowing what their use case was. Thats good enough for me.

[Nickshawf80]

Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

Because technically there was no need to make them any different as they work with no compromise within the range we wanted to lower then ie minus 30mm.

Bilstein UK were happy to sign off our version knowing what their use case was. Thats good enough for me.

Great. Do you install these if so how much would it be? Thanks again for answering my from what I have seen these seem like the set up for me.

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Nickshawf80

Great. Do you install these if so how much would it be? Thanks again for answering my from what I have seen these seem like the set up for me.

Hi Nick we do install them in our workshop but we can't discuss pricing on the main forum. Please shoot my colleagues an email on sales@evolveautomotive.com

They are currently on Black Friday discount so 20% off RRP. Good time to buy!

[pmathew]

Originally Posted by Deteria

I've only just seen vids from Imran @ Evolve as well. I think they had a couple vids going over just the MSS and another vid that is MSS paired with the Bilsteins. It was great timing since the Evolve x Bilstein B6 just released so I jumped on it.

Sorry haven't been out and about since I got the car back to snap nicer photos. Took a few quick ones while in the garage. Height-wise, I purposely went with form & function since I don't want to destroy my front lip and I don't much care for being that low. I had my shop do a 5mm drop from factory measurements. Also I believe I'm running ~ -2 degree front camber. 265/35 & 285/35 19s.

Looks great!! Can you share the specs on the Apex wheels? Thanks!

I'm also going to go with the Evolve x Bilstein B6 soon, running a similar 265-285 tyre combo on 19"s

[BermudaKID]

Are there any pictures with this setup and H&R springs?

I think I'm going to have to replace my front shocks on my EDC equipped car soon but I have the m performance HAS so I'll need new springs. Super bummed but it is what it is.

I saw your video on YouTube where you mentioned other springs will work but did the driving with MSS kit.

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by BermudaKID

Are there any pictures with this setup and H&R springs?

I think I'm going to have to replace my front shocks on my EDC equipped car soon but I have the m performance HAS so I'll need new springs. Super bummed but it is what it is.

I saw your video on YouTube where you mentioned other springs will work but did the driving with MSS kit.

Posted earlier in the thread but here is the car with Evolve Bilstein B6 and H&R Springs.

Verde Mantis F80 H&R by Evolve Automotive, on Flickr

Verde Mantis F80 H&R by Evolve Automotive, on Flickr

Verde Mantis F80 H&R by Evolve Automotive, on Flickr

[Deteria]

Put about ~500mi on the new setup. Loving the way the car handles

[bloke79]

Has anyone done any road racing / motorsport use of these?

[JeffB-M3]

I ran mine at VIR for two days. Much improved control as compared to the stock dampers. I would categorize them as a significant improvement over stock.

[BermudaKID]

Originally Posted by JeffB-M3

I ran mine at VIR for two days. Much improved control as compared to the stock dampers. I would categorize them as a significant improvement over stock.

What springs do you run?

[JeffB-M3]

Originally Posted by BermudaKID

What springs do you run?

Eibach v1

[Imran@Evolve]

Thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate it!

[RElias21]

Hey Imran@Evolve, I think some hesitation for me (and possibly others) with these dampers is figuring out which springs to pair them with if we want more drop than available with the MSS-HAS.

You took some photos with the H&R’s and also mentioned the Eibachs. Do you have any driving experience with the different aftermarket springs you tried?

Is there a particular aftermarket spring manufacturer you would suggest that would be closest in function as the MSS while providing a bit more drop?

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by RElias21

Hey Imran@Evolve, I think some hesitation for me (and possibly others) with these dampers is figuring out which springs to pair them with if we want more drop than available with the MSS-HAS.

You took some photos with the H&R’s and also mentioned the Eibachs. Do you have any driving experience with the different aftermarket springs you tried?

Is there a particular aftermarket spring manufacturer you would suggest that would be closest in function as the MSS while providing a bit more drop?

None of them come close to providing the function of the MSS due to the triple spring rates on the rear of the MSS HAS kit.

Just pick one of the main brands that gives you the drop you want if you are not going for the MSS. H&R are stiffer than Eibach/Intrax options but still acceptable in my opinion. Of course that is subjective.

[M 4 FUN]

Originally Posted by Nickshawf80

So just one final question, seeing as these were made for cars on lowering springs is there any reason why they were not made shorter to compliment a sorter spring, my understanding of lowering springs with standard shocks is that the shock is starting at a compressed point and not being able to work effectively. Forgive me if this is a silly question as I'm not very technically minded but trying to understand.

This is a big misunderstanding by people that the shock doesn't work as effective, or the same way just because it starts at a lower position. The shock function is exactly the same weather the shock starts 30mm higher up or not. The shock itself is not harder because it sits lower. That is purely speed related. That's why you can have height adjustability on all coilover kits.
Same thing with shock wear. It doesn't wear out faster with a stiffer spring as the spring actually decrease load on the shock during the compression stroke but increase it on the rebound.

[Nickshawf80]

Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

Hi Nick we do install them in our workshop but we can't discuss pricing on the main forum. Please shoot my colleagues an email on sales@evolveautomotive.com

They are currently on Black Friday discount so 20% off RRP. Good time to buy!

So I think your b6 dampers are the way forward for me. I’m currently bm3 stage 1 with mpe and love the sound but would like to go stage 2 so adding down pipes is needed, I if find it to raspy is replacing the secondary cats with resonators an option?

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Nickshawf80

So I think your b6 dampers are the way forward for me. I’m currently bm3 stage 1 with mpe and love the sound but would like to go stage 2 so adding down pipes is needed, I if find it to raspy is replacing the secondary cats with resonators an option?

Dampers are in stock.

An equal length mid pipe would take out the raspiness.

[Nickshawf80]

Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

Dampers are in stock.

An equal length mid pipe would take out the raspiness.

Are your versions that much better than the standard b6 as the reviews are really good on both but the standard b6 damptronics are nearly £800 cheeper are they really worth it?

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Nickshawf80

Are your versions that much better than the standard b6 as the reviews are really good on both but the standard b6 damptronics are nearly £800 cheeper are they really worth it?

The MSRP on both is almost the same so not sure where the £800 difference is coming from unless someone is discounting the Bilstein very heavily.

I would say they are better as the comfort mode is much more compliant on our version but then I would also be biased as its a product that I personally developed with Bilstein.

[Nickshawf80]

Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

The MSRP on both is almost the same so not sure where the £800 difference is coming from unless someone is discounting the Bilstein very heavily.

I would say they are better as the comfort mode is much more compliant on our version but then I would also be biased as its a product that I personally developed with Bilstein.

It’s demon tweeks just over £1,600. Before you started developing your b6 version. Didn’t you run standard b6 dampers if so how did you find them compared to stock set up.

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Nickshawf80

It’s demon tweeks just over £1,600. Before you started developing your b6 version. Didn’t you run standard b6 dampers if so how did you find them compared to stock set up.

Yes we started with the stock ones as the base of the development. They are of course a good improvement over stock.