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      01-10-2014, 12:35 PM   #287
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That thing is heinous. Predator face FAIL. I'd rather drive a Nissan juke.

How does the FRS make this look soooo terrible.
no bro.. not the Juke.. you went too far..
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      01-10-2014, 01:55 PM   #288
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That thing is heinous. Predator face FAIL. I'd rather drive a Nissan juke.

How does the FRS make this look soooo terrible.
no bro.. not the Juke.. you went too far..
HAHA juke gtr no?
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Toyota finally makes a replacement for the SUPRA. It's about time.
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Damn, that side comparison looks nice for the RS-F. I don't know if I like the back yet. It does look mean!

But yeah that thing is killing the M4 on paper / pics, but i doubt it will drive as nice.
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Both cars looks great! RC F is aggressive, modern and different, I really like that new look.
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All you people saying "wow 5.0L v8 480 HP @7300 rpm...". Wake up.

The Lexus redlines at 7300, 480 HP for a split second before you shift gears. Wow really useful. The m3/4 has all that power where it Actually matters. Right in the middle and carries it along the rev range. So not only is the Lexus hideous, the power numbers are made to try to 1 up BMW by showing a bigger number must be better right? Its not how much power you make. Its where you make it and how you use it. Boost is the way to go, it not only delivers a much better power band, it also has boat loads more potential to make big power in the aftermarket.

BTW Lexus interiors are notoriously cheap and gimmicky.
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      01-10-2014, 11:37 PM   #293
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Not sure if this was already posted but the black version looks pretty stunning. The grill is quite a bit more bearable in black. Courtesy of Sedoy froom the thread in non-BMW -





Of course it depends on whether you like the rear and 3/4 view of the car. I personally think rear, side, 3/4 views are perfect.
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      01-10-2014, 11:40 PM   #294
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Also, I'd rather drive an RCF than a Nissan Juke. Maybe that's just me, though..
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      01-11-2014, 12:33 AM   #295
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Even in black it still looks overly dramatic.
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Interior Winner: Lexus, hands down.

Exterior winner: BMW, hands down.

Lexus couldn't style a car if they got Pininfarina to do all their work.
Winner in terms of what, quality?

Ergonomically seen the M4 is miles AHEAD.
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I thought the new IS looked hideous in pictures, but I think it looks good. I'll probably like the RCF in person too
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      01-11-2014, 05:25 AM   #298
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All you people saying "wow 5.0L v8 480 HP @7300 rpm...". Wake up.

The Lexus redlines at 7300, 480 HP for a split second before you shift gears. Wow really useful. The m3/4 has all that power where it Actually matters.

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Its not how much power you make. Its where you make it and how you use it.
Actually max-power to weight is a very good predictor of how a car will accelerate. Of course we don't always shift the car at optimal RPM during daily driving so it's true that the rest of the power curve is still important.

Once we have the official numbers you are likely to see some technical analysis and further discussion.
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      01-11-2014, 09:07 AM   #299
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I Rather own a 2009 ISF…. That thing looks crap both inside and out
I rather own a bicycle than either. But I do agree the IS-F looks way better.
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Not sure if this was already posted but the black version looks pretty stunning. The grill is quite a bit more bearable in black. Courtesy of Sedoy froom the thread in non-BMW -





Of course it depends on whether you like the rear and 3/4 view of the car. I personally think rear, side, 3/4 views are perfect.
I'm in the minority that thinks this looks pretty nice.. Definitely bold and in-your-face but that's not always a bad thing, IMO.
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That RC-F looks mighty promising!
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Damn, that side comparison looks nice for the RS-F. I don't know if I like the back yet. It does look mean!

But yeah that thing is killing the M4 on paper / pics, but i doubt it will drive as nice.
Definetly not winning the paper battle...yea it has 55 more hp but it's 700 lbs heavier, an auto tranny, less torque and it doesn't even rev as high as the M4 with its V8. This thing would have to be at least $8K less than the M4 to win the paper battle
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Not sure if this was already posted but the black version looks pretty stunning. The grill is quite a bit more bearable in black. Courtesy of Sedoy froom the thread in non-BMW -





Of course it depends on whether you like the rear and 3/4 view of the car. I personally think rear, side, 3/4 views are perfect.
Looks much better in black but the front is still meh
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mmm yes, black is better. for the money I say ditch both (m3 & rcf) and get a cayman s or f-type coupe.
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Is the RCF a pushrod V8? Wonderful that the much-maligned BMW TT I6 has a higher redline. And I still think the "F" stands for "Fugly".
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Is the RCF a pushrod V8? Wonderful that the much-maligned BMW TT I6 has a higher redline. And I still think the "F" stands for "Fugly".
"You’ll find the same cast-aluminum block that’s now doing business in the IS-F, but everything else about this DOHC 5.0-liter V-8 engine has been revised. Lightweight titanium valves are again matched with strong, forged connecting rods, but there are new cylinder heads that still incorporate variable valve timing on both the intake and exhaust cams. The polished crankshaft is smaller in diameter to reduce friction, while the pistons reduce friction as well. Naturally the intake manifold and exhaust headers are new, and the exhaust barks with a sharper, louder note. The dynamometer numbers aren’t yet final, but we’re told that this engine spins faster than before to deliver at least 450 hp and 384 lb-ft of torque." - Automobile
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my friend how are you!? I hope your new year has been off to a good start! My heart hurts as my two favorite BMW's simply do not excite me as their older generation and I am talking about the 3er and x5. I remember seeing my first e90 and falling madly in love, it was intense and passionate. When i saw my first e70 i couldnt stop thinking "damn what a beastly, sexy, militant vehicle that is, it oozes testosterone." When I saw my first X5M... well words cant describe it and they never will be able to. militant as FUCK, dominating presence. Putting my eyes on the first e90 m3, it was sex, pure visual sex with a nymphomaniac that one is deeply in love with.

I saw the new 3 series, instantly turned off by NUMEROUS styling cues. Same can be said for the new X5. new 5 series was "acceptable" but still not beefy enough for me. Bangle is my hero, he is my inspiration. I love him, I miss him dearly. I knew the moment he left BMW things would go down, but I certainly never imagined this. They have undone all of the hard work he has put into giving the cars their unique identity. this new philosophy of joined headlights, bloated hoods and massive vertical gills... i can go on. Its bullshit, and I am upset that i like this new M235 thing more than the new M3/4 and why? because no joined headlights. THE FUCK THAT SHIT IS PISSING ME OFFF!!!!!

I am angry. i am ohh so very angry. its tough standing by BMW blindly while everyone else is taking a dump on us, mainly AMG. I couldnt be fucked with anyone else, but these AMG's are killing the M's these days and I would be the last person to say this... i already want to delete that just because I should never say that but im gonna put it on record.

How the fuck is the new generation of M3's going to compete with its rivals? it wont, it will loose in terms of performance but will sell as BMW is simply relying on the power of the M symbol and they shouldnt. I remember the days where I could brag that any M would most likely destroy all of its competitors in class within all the M's. Now I cant even say that.

/end massive fucking rant.
Agree 10000%!

I've owned BMW's for 20 years back to the E36 days and have been a BMW fanatic posting on numerous BMW boards and touting the "superiority" of BMW's on MBWorld, Audiworld, etc. But I can't do it anymore in good conscience. The current generation of BMW has lost me. They've gone corporate and the styling of cars appear to converge (e.g., I still have to do a 2nd take to tell the difference in the rear of an F10 vs. F30). And performance-wise, the sportiness feel is giving way to comfort feel. All BMW's are MEH to me in all respects.

Re the Lexus, I hated that grill on the IS350, but on the RC F, it fits much better. The styling says "get outta my face or I'm going to run you over"; while the new M3/4 is more conservative, like "can you please, sir, change lanes so that I may pass? Please, pretty please? Thank you so much." Maybe BMW is seeking more woman buyers to increase sales but it's losing me as a former BMW fanatic. I also never liked the Bangle styles but it appears they've completely in the opposite direction and made cookie-cutter bimmers these days.

Having said that, if rumors that this Lexus is going to weigh in at 3900lbs, then it will be hugely disappointing and DOA for me. Come to think, Lexus' insistence not to offer a manual gearbox already had me running away. Looks like some things never change. But kudos to Lexus designers for not following BMW's ho hum one-size-fits-all styling.
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Clearly reasonable people will disagree.
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