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Absolutely agree with your statement on BMW though
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Rest all M cars are fast but they lack the classic bmw experience, yes there are manuals out there which helps but overall bmw brand has been disconnected to the driver (exception M2 series). I'm referring to traditional and regular BMWs that everyone drives and the standard M cars. With cars like the M3 and M5 you have to go for their CS versions to get visceral experience. It looks like bmw has to make many changes to their bigger cars over the course of their cycle to bring that driver oriented feeling.
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It will also depend on how you define enthusiast... if you're talking enthusiasts who only drive within or close to the legal limits and on the road, then sure the wheelbase is just about the only thing you can enjoy which in itself is a strong argument. If you're talking about enthusiasts who like to drive their cars hard in a controlled environment then M3/4 presents itself as a better option if for no other reason (which there are other reasons) because you can fit larger tires for more mechanical grip and the wheel base produces more stability at speed given M2C essentially weighs the same. The fundamental sensation of speed, and ultimately what defines their "viscerality", between the two is not that different IMO. And I'm not trying to turn this into an M2 vs M3/4 discussion, I'm just trying to point out either they're both visceral or they both aren't because they're cut from the exact same cloth. As for CS, I haven't really spent time in one where I could form an opinion - test drives don't really count as experience.
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Soooo I had a ZHP, and my conclusion on modern ZHPs was that they weren't like the ZHPs of old. They just aren't special enough because they're either just a tick the box of some options or in my case with the 435i ZHP, just the slate of M Performance parts as pre-selected. Nothing about it was exclusive like the E46 ZHPs aside from being branded ZHP from factory. But to your point BMW still offers SOMETHING to the market which is a good thing so I'll drink to that
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