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[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by minn19

They've got all the key judges in place and are poised to start throwing out hundreds of thousands of ballots in key states. The fix is in.

I guess we'll see, but either way

[minn19]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

I guess we'll see, but either way

Agreed, all up to NV and the lawsuits now it looks like.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by minn19

Agreed, all up to NV and the lawsuits now it looks like.

I *hope* the fact that Trumpkins can't even get Ben Ginsburg excited about election lawsuits (and Fox News is more/less calling it for Biden) means legal challenges will fade fast. Not to mention Biden literally has 4,000 lawyers ready.

And, for whatever reason, this makes me feel better:

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

I *hope* the fact that Trumpkins can't even get Ben Ginsburg excited about election lawsuits (and Fox News is more/less calling it for Biden) means legal challenges will fade fast. Not to mention Biden literally has 4,000 lawyers ready.

And, for whatever reason, this makes me feel better:

Hey Gruss, check your PM when you can.

I am still trying my best to completely avoid any social media for pretty much every reason possible.

[GrussGott]

FWIW, here are some thoughts on CF2020 ... First the exec summary (obvs just my 2 cents, analysis only, and for just us SSOTT besties):

Why no Blue Wave?
3 core factors:

(1.) Many people hate the cultural left - probably a majority of Americans
Cancel culture, politically correct, "socialism", "defund the police", etc. This includes AOC/Bernie and Kamala - she was clearly the wrong VP pick and a clear moderate like Buttigieg or even Klobo would've been way better (i.e., Biden's old and nobody wants a pres harris)

(2.) Packing the court / change agenda messaging
The biggest fear the normals seem to have is major changes to the US government like court packing, eliminating the electoral college, etc - and Biden answered this question horribly (by not answering) and his answer/non-answer perfectly dovetailed with the 'uh oh radical left place holder' fears

(3.) Economics - income disparity
My brother is 3 years older and 30% of his HS class went to college vs 70% of mine - a complete flip in 3 years. Why? The late 80s/early 90s culture has been a bit lost: when I'd tell my brother's friends I was going to college they'd say, "what, why? are you a pussy afraid to work??" I can't stress that culture enough: back then only wussies, power nerds, losers, & lazy people went to college (remember Revenge of the Nerds? Animal House?) everyone else got a damn job ... because in my brothers class it was a given that if you were willing to work hard you'd make a great living right out of HS just like your dad did so why waste time as a frat bro?

It's those people - now in their 50s - that feel robbed. Back then labor had real power, but 10 years after that power moved to capital and has never moved back. Those people lost their jobs and economically most never recovered and who do they blame? The elites, the nerds and the lazy; they were tricked out of their legacy by these people and now their vote is a big F U to all of them.

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Here's a longer related list I won't be so wordy on:

• Alternative media universes: Fox vs CNN
• A shift to balkanized tribal identity vs policy driven political decision making
• Economic inequality / shift to creative economy / fu lefties
• Demographics: non college educated whites
• Poor Democratic candidates - there really are very few I like and I'm easy
• Democratic party leadership - It allowed Hillary, enough said
• Americans favor divided government
• Electoral college (Repubs lost pop vote in last 8 elections) - ghost of slavery
• Emotional component of Trumpism that appeals to many - his message resonates
• Fear of change - SCOTUS, electoral college, healthcare, etc
• VP pick - Harris has a lot of qualities a lot of people don't like and Biden's old
• Affirmative case wasn't made - Biden's let-your-opponent-punch-himself strategy might work, but barely

[minn19]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

FWIW, here are some thoughts on CF2020 ... First the exec summary (obvs just my 2 cents, analysis only, and for just us SSOTT besties):

Why no Blue Wave?
3 core factors:

(1.) Many people hate the cultural left - probably a majority of Americans
Cancel culture, politically correct, "socialism", "defund the police", etc. This includes AOC/Bernie and Kamala - she was clearly the wrong VP pick and a clear moderate like Buttigieg or even Klobo would've been way better (i.e., Biden's old and nobody wants a pres harris)

(2.) Packing the court / change agenda messaging
The biggest fear the normals seem to have is major changes to the US government like court packing, eliminating the electoral college, etc - and Biden answered this question horribly (by not answering) and his answer/non-answer perfectly dovetailed with the 'uh oh radical left place holder' fears

(3.) Economics - income disparity
My brother is 3 years older and 30% of his HS class went to college vs 70% of mine - a complete flip in 3 years. Why? The late 80s/early 90s culture has been a bit lost: when I'd tell my brother's friends I was going to college they'd say, "what, why? are you a pussy afraid to work??" I can't stress that culture enough: back then only wussies, power nerds, losers, & lazy people went to college (remember Revenge of the Nerds? Animal House?) everyone else got a damn job ... because in my brothers class it was a given that if you were willing to work hard you'd make a great living right out of HS just like your dad did so why waste time as a frat bro?

It's those people - now in their 50s - that feel robbed. Back then labor had real power, but 10 years after that power moved to capital and has never moved back. Those people lost their jobs and economically most never recovered and who do they blame? The elites, the nerds and the lazy; they were tricked out of their legacy by these people and now their vote is a big F U to all of them.

-----------
Here's a longer related list I won't be so wordy on:

• Alternative media universes: Fox vs CNN
• A shift to balkanized tribal identity vs policy driven political decision making
• Economic inequality / shift to creative economy / fu lefties
• Demographics: non college educated whites
• Poor Democratic candidates - there really are very few I like and I'm easy
• Democratic party leadership - It allowed Hillary, enough said
• Americans favor divided government
• Electoral college (Repubs lost pop vote in last 8 elections) - ghost of slavery
• Emotional component of Trumpism that appeals to many - his message resonates
• Fear of change - SCOTUS, electoral college, healthcare, etc
• VP pick - Harris has a lot of qualities a lot of people don't like and Biden's old
• Affirmative case wasn't made - Biden's let-your-opponent-punch-himself strategy might work, but barely

Agreed, on the flip side though it is also clear the majority of the nation didn't buy into Trumpism and are obviously quite repulsed by it also. He will never win the popular vote even if he pulls this off.

All time understatement, but the US is at a major crossroads and looking for a true leader that takes everyone into account.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by minn19

Agreed, on the flip side though it is also clear the majority of the nation didn't buy into Trumpism

Yeah, good point - by the data Trump won the presidency by ~78k combined in MI/WI/PA ...

If the current numbers hold Biden will win by more than 78k in each of those states plus possibly pick up AZ/NV/GA.

Interesting side note: ~20 counties in Illinois voted 70% or greater to remove Chicago from the state

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by minn19

it is also clear the majority of the nation didn't buy into Trumpism and are obviously quite repulsed by it also.

The 2020 election, it appears, was a staggering repudiation of Donald Trump. Of him. Personally.

You’re not hearing this right now because the right is in denial about the results as it works through the stages of Kubler-Ross grief. And you’re not hearing it because liberals are too busy expressing continuing shock and outrage inside their bubble—the bubble in which they have quickly learned they’d better not say anything that will bring the Woke Mob down on their heads or they will be destroyed—that anyone could even cast one vote for the man.

And yet, it’s true. What we just witnessed the most thoroughgoing repudiation of any national politician in the modern era save, perhaps, Jimmy Carter. Let me explain how and why.

Joe Biden is on track to receive more than 80 million votes—nearly 20 percent higher than Barack Obama’s previous record in 2008. Hillary Clinton received 66 million votes in 2016. Biden may best her total by close to 30 percent. Clinton won 20 states in 2016. Obama won 24 states in 2012. Biden may end up winning 25 states.

Biden did this while presiding over the least energetic and most idea-free campaign in modern history. As far as his positive agenda for America goes, we should all wear masks and listen to the science. And since the public seems to have seen fit to deny Biden a Democratic Senate, he won’t be able even to rubber-stamp liberal or leftist policy items that are put on the Resolute Desk for him to sign.

There’s little or no enthusiasm for the man, and there shouldn’t be. He didn’t encourage any. In the primaries, Biden ran as the milquetoast; the most inoffensive major candidate. And he didn’t change much in the general, which is the point. His goal was to be… nothing. A flat surface.

He just wasn’t Donald Trump—and that proved to be enough to generate 80-plus million votes.

That followed a 2018 election in which 62 million Democrats cast ballots and flipped the House blue—9 million more than Republicans and a level of turnout for a midterm the likes of which we’ve hardly ever seen.

In my view, just as Trump’s brash willingness to defy political convention and his addiction to outrageous behavior won him his party’s nomination and arguably the election, they also created a movement against him of incomparable size and power.

Look, Ronald Reagan was hated like crazy. George W. Bush was hated like crazy. People demonstrated against them by the millions. But they did not generate a massive counterforce that ended up driving them from office. Far from it. Reagan won 49 states in 1984. Bush improved on his electoral college performance in 2004. Trump lost states and maybe as many as 50 electors from 2016 to 2020, while also losing the House for the Republicans.

Now listen: The vanguard of the anti-Trump sentiment, especially in the liberal chattering class and the world of leftist political activism, got lost in the thickets of its own rage and madness quite frequently, most especially on the issue of the ludicrous “he’s a Russian agent” delusion and the insatiable hunger to impeach him. They endangered their cause. They did not enhance it.

Trump enhanced their cause. It couldn’t have survived and thrived without being constantly fed by Trump. He made the best case against himself anyone could ever have made, which is what Biden’s apparent victory demonstrates. That, and the fact that, with the exception of Cory Gardner in Colorado, elected Senate Republicans thought to be doomed or nearly doomed all survived—Susan Collins, Thom Tillis, Joni Ernst, Lindsey Graham, Steve Daines, and probably Alaska’s Dan Sullivan. (Martha McSally and Kelly Loeffler were both appointed to their seats.)

The fact that Washington Republicans weren’t ditched, combined with Biden’s colorlessness and lack of an agenda, means that the astonishing turnout among Democrats and independents was driven by one overwhelming objective: To drive Donald Trump from office. And that, it seems, is the only clear message of the 2020 election.

[GrussGott]

minn19 does Walz suck this bad or is MN just that fucked up now?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

minn19 does Walz suck this bad or is MN just that fucked up now?

Funny, I haven’t heard of this yet. I don’t think it is Walz, but the MPLS mayor/council etc. I and a lot of other middle of the roaders think he is doing really well. He did fuck up by not sending the NG in earlier when the riots were starting. He shouldn’t have waited for Frey. But, he also knows it takes quite awhile to mobilize the Guard (leave their jobs, get orders, get to the armory and deploy etc etc) so it might not of mattered any way.

Just wait till all four of those guys walk.......

[GrussGott]

Global milieu:

[GrussGott]

Best Trump Spiritual Advisor mix:

[Arcades]

Is it over yet?

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Is it over yet?

CNN, BBC, NBC, and FOX have all called it for Biden. the bitch is out of office.

[Captain Blood]

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[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

CNN, BBC, NBC, and FOX have all called it for Biden. the bitch is out of office.

I was joking lol

And as always the big orange ape is golfing

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Is it over yet?

Over?

It's just beginning.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Over?

It's just beginning.

"I saw a man ... he had a black hat, black mask, and striped shirt ..."

[GrussGott]

Kickass level: infinity

[GrussGott]

I don't think there'll ever be a more Veep moment than Giuliani hosting the final 2020 Trump campaign press conference from an industrial parking lot, next to an adult bookstore, across the street from a cremation center, and between a fire extinguisher and garden hose, in front of a garage door with campaign signs taped on.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

I don't think there'll ever be a more Veep moment than Giuliani hosting the final 2020 Trump campaign press conference from an industrial parking lot, next to an adult bookstore, across the street from a cremation center, and between a fire extinguisher and garden hose, in front of a garage door with campaign signs taped on.

Grassroots.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by minn19

Grassroots.

I just cannot wrap my head around the series of events and decisions that led to this being the Trump Campaign's final 2020 press conference. He started by coming down the escalator of a swanky Manhattan high-rise and ended in an industrial parking lot by a dildo store.