The Grand Tour: Bugatti Chiron vs. BMW M4

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

The Chiron is about so much more than low 9s quarter mile sprints. The Veyron and Chiron are works of art and everything down to the valve stem cap is specially engineered to be able to run speeds of 260 mph. A normal valve stem had the ability to rip a wheel off due to rotational forces at 260 mph. These cars are something truly special. Drive or even just ride in one once and you won't think twice about whether it is worth the price.

Wholeheartedly agree. They are the pinnacle of engineering. That group in particular is just really shaping the world of cars and a force.

[Graves]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

Nice. My buddy has Veyron with a full Mansory package and all the updates. BTW, it is for sale to make room for his incoming Chiron if anyone is interested . . .

We took it for a drive from Miami to Ft. Lauderdale here recently . . . mostly on Mexican highways . . . that things is a beast and rock solid, hands off stable at 200 mph +. They are truly amazing cars and in a different league from anything in that straight line high speed cruising category (air strip tested of course . . .).

I couldn't begin to fathom what it would feel like to be that rich.

[M4Now!]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

The Chiron is about so much more than low 9s quarter mile sprints. The Veyron and Chiron are works of art and everything down to the valve stem cap is specially engineered to be able to run speeds of 260 mph. A normal valve stem had the ability to rip a wheel off due to rotational forces at 260 mph. These cars are something truly special. Drive or even just ride in one once and you won't think twice about whether it is worth the price.

I don't disagree?

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by Graves

I couldn't begin to fathom what it would feel like to be that rich.

This. I still have 47 car payments left on my F80, lol.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

This. I still have 47 car payments left on my F80, lol.

Go Dawgs!

[UGADawgFan]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

Go Dawgs!

[adc]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

The Chiron is about so much more than low 9s quarter mile sprints. The Veyron and Chiron are works of art and everything down to the valve stem cap is specially engineered to be able to run speeds of 260 mph. A normal valve stem had the ability to rip a wheel off due to rotational forces at 260 mph. These cars are something truly special. Drive or even just ride in one once and you won't think twice about whether it is worth the price.

Agreed. It is well understood that as the price increases, the palpable advantages become less and less. Still, there is an incomprehensible gulf between an M3 and a Bugatti.

I’m all for the idea of fully getting whatever the hell pleases you in life. Just don’t try to justify it to people who don’t share the same passion, or wallet size.

[ASAP]

while i greatly appreciate the work of art the Chiron is, the usability of the car is so limited, that I just can't get over its point... That 260 MPH speed has only been tapped once and it was on the VW test track in Germany... 95% of cars will never go above 155 mph and that is already being optimistic (i bet most on this board haven't even been that fast)... the overall design of cars like this outside of superlatives and record chasing is overall pointless, add the price tag and it becomes double pointless

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by ASAP

while i greatly appreciate the work of art the Chiron is, the usability of the car is so limited, that I just can't get over its point... That 260 MPH speed has only been tapped once and it was on the VW test track in Germany... 95% of cars will never go above 155 mph and that is already being optimistic (i bet most on this board haven't even been that fast)... the overall design of cars like this outside of superlatives and record chasing is overall pointless, add the price tag and it becomes double pointless

My buddy drives his Veyron a lot and I am sure he will put miles on his Chiron. My neighbor, country music guy with a movie star wife, drives his Veyron a fair amount as well. They are joy just cruising around town and a work of art at any speed. Drive or ride in one it may start making sense. Then you have to factor that the $$$ these guys spend on these cars is like pocket change to us and is really no big deal to them.

Chiron is by no means a one trick pony either . . .

Super or hyper cars are not for everyone and you sound like one of those guys. I never understood the prices on Rolls Royce either until I get to get up close and personal with those as well. Even the door handles on those are like artwork. Some understand, some don’t and many out there with real money are just hunky dorry driving a Lexus or a Honda.

[Ilikemike]

Just watched the Grand Tour, I didn't think it was any kind of put down on the M4, it was called 'a really fast car,' I feel good it was chosen without any expectation it could compete...

[danniexi]

Chiron doesn't come with a manual transmission. M4 is better. /s

[neliconcept]

As someone who has driven two Veyrons while working for Bugatti. They are magnificent. I could daily drive that if the roads were good because it was so comfortable and yet you just knew you had power behind you even driving laxidasically (spelling..?)

[AlterZgo]

Originally Posted by neliconcept

...and yet you just knew you had power behind you even driving laxidasically (spelling..?)

Sounds like you’re about to take the biggest dump in the world.

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by ASAP

It was kind of a stupid race... i get its to show a difference but launching an m4 against an awd mid engine chiron cmon... he could have done this against a Turbo S or GTR and it wouldnt have looked nearly as dramatic... again would not have made a difference but would have not been as stupid as this was.

Not stupid at all. I enjoyed it as many others. It just goes to put in context why this is a "super" car and why the M4 no matter what is just a sports car. Also, it shows just how much much speed this kind of price tag gets you, this exotic has some serious legs.
It's not about making the M4 look stupid, It's about fun and putting things in context. But you have your opinion and the majority of folks enjoy this.
Even the Chris Harris P1 vs R6 is to show the same thing, not just opposing platforms....you think the RS6 is fast, well this is how fast a million dollars looks like.

As Jeremy says, the difference between a reeeally fast car(in every days life on the streets, and more common, the M4 makes most cars look slow) and a Chiron.....

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by ASAP

while i greatly appreciate the work of art the Chiron is, the usability of the car is so limited, that I just can't get over its point... That 260 MPH speed has only been tapped once and it was on the VW test track in Germany... 95% of cars will never go above 155 mph and that is already being optimistic (i bet most on this board haven't even been that fast)... the overall design of cars like this outside of superlatives and record chasing is overall pointless, add the price tag and it becomes double pointless

No problem, the new Toyota Camry XLE is out just for folks like you, Honda even boast the most luxurious mini van in the world. On a family trip and everyday life, there is no question your family will benefit more from the Odyssey.

Just leave your lack of enthusiasm for us enthusiasts who most of us can't afford the Chiron, but I sure do love that it exists.
By the way, we don't need $10k Rolexes or $500 dollar Goyard credit card holders...but please, don't justify the benefits of a boring life based on practicality. That's just utter rational nonsense....

[48Laws]

One could buy nearly 40 M4s at the price of the Chiron...start a performance rental service and make some bread.

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by danniexi

Chiron doesn't come with a manual transmission. M4 is better. /s

Wholeheartedly agree!


It was fun to watch. You knew the M4 would lose. It was awesome to see just by how much it lost!!