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That Porsche decided to go with this transmission makes the Macan much more a hot hatch than an SUV. Towing capability is severely limited, and off road performance is also compromised. Last edited by blschaefer1; 07-06-2018 at 12:22 PM.. |
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PDK overall is a much better tuned transmission and also does in fact shift faster, though not as clunky (or hard) in doing so. PDK in a 911 and especially the GT3 are much more responsive as well in paddle engagement. And if you’re comparing auto mode, not the slightest of comparisons to be made there. Last edited by Funf6cyl; 07-06-2018 at 11:08 AM.. |
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So basically, paying over m3 price to get 328 level of performance. That's such a bad joke, wow. Need to REALLY love the Porsche crest to buy into that value proposition. But great work by Porsche marketing that people on this thread seem to genuinely believe it should be discussed as a comparable to f80. |
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I agree PDK in 911's are fantastic, BTW. Just not the same as Macan. |
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07-06-2018, 11:25 AM | #29 | |
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Regardless, I'm glad they found a good car that makes them happy. Not everyone needs the performance level of M3 and some might even find it intimidating. A much lower power awd car with high seating position like Macan is a much better commuter for a casual user than m3 with high power and rwd |
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Funny thing is the base four cylinder Macan is the best seller and would fare much worse vs Golf R. There are many people apparently willing to pay huge $$ for that crest. Great marketing indeed. |
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07-06-2018, 02:38 PM | #31 | |
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...irst-test/amp/ No one needs the performance level of anything 400 hp or more. My comment was how many people I know (friends, family, coworkers) and those on the Macan forum who either went M to Macan or skipped the M3/4 altogether for one. |
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Worse case I just put one of them in the frunk as it fits |
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I have a 991.2 C2 and my wife has a m4 ZCP, both are great cars, the 911 is more sports car focused in my opinion than the m4, of course as it’s apples to oranges. I will tell you the m4 is quick but it’s a different feel. The 911 is more tactical is feel, I think the PDK is better than the DCT, but they were never designed to go head to head. I got the Porsche as I have always wanted one but t was $37k more than the similarity equipped M4, ouch is right, but it is what it is. Both are great cars, the M3/4 is the best bang for the buck. Buy the 911 if you want a 911, the m4 is awesome but it’s never going to be a 911. I am glad we have both, best of both worlds.
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I shouldn't be coming down too hard on macan gts. I just finished a road trip in wife's x135 and so I can see the appeal of a small SUV that traps in the 99-103mph range. Definitely a nice daily; not at all an m3 replacement. My wife turned down taking over f80 m3 as her daily, saying it had way too much power. I didn't think such a thing was a possibility but I guess normal people think different. |
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The analogies you present above are very different from an F80 in that regard. Just can't see the value proposition in the Macan, or Cayenne for that matter. |
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i'm amused that all the threads regarding "F8x vs. Porsches that are not Macans" always end up in a debate about the Macan
let's get this out of the way - the F8x does beat all the Macans in objective performance criteria. maybe the Turbo PP will change things but i can never find one of those to drive. people do cross-shop Macans and M3's - i was one of them, and it looks like there's a few on this thread - and it is possible for someone to pick a Macan over an M3. although presumably the guys who are obsessed with trap speeds would buy the M3 and never look back. with all that said, some of the statements here go a bit too far. this is the first i've ever heard of the PDK being referred to as "junk", for example. |
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Q7 is a good example of a German SUV that's super interesting. 98mph trap speed, 3 rows, 7700lb row rating, $56k starting price. Winning! |
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I will throw in my 2 cents, I own a 2015 F80 with 18k miles that I purchased 4 years ago (July 2014). Several weeks ago I test drove a certified 2017 911S and 2017 911 4. The dealership allowed me and the wife to test drive both vehicles by ourselves. We felt that our F80 felt quicker then both 911's. I posted on another thread and was advised that the acceleration of the 911 is more linear and that both aforementioned 911's are quicker then my F80. Interesting though when watching Nick Murray (he owned a M4 and now a 911 C4S 991.2) on YouTube and he did a rolling drag race pitting his 911 C4S against a M4. The end result the 911 4S lost. Here is the link: . I have also read other car publications online showing the 0-60 time for a 2017 911 S posting a time of 3.6 seconds.
I respect the Porsche racing heritage and owning a 911 is a vehicle that is on my bucket list. With that being said I am having a hard time parting with over 100k for a 911S. Affording the vehicle is not an issue but after test driving the aforementioned 911's I have a new found respect for my F80. I respect everyone's opinion but our F80 is comfortable for me and the wife and quick. When we did test drive the 911's she said she was not comfortable and would not like to drive in the 911 from San Diego County to Las Vegas. I have to agree the F80 for us (we are in our 50's) is more comfortable then the 911. But I still want one (911) in my garage. Truth be told I ride my bikes (2016 BMW R1200RT and 2018 BMW R1200GSA) more then I drive my F80. Last edited by Egrunt; 07-07-2018 at 10:49 AM.. |
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I certainly do see the value proposition in the Macan and the Cayenne, and seems many others do for some reason or another given their sales volume. Last edited by Funf6cyl; 07-07-2018 at 09:32 AM.. |
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Nick’s 911 is also a manual and driver skill does mean something. I’ve lined my 991.2S manual up against a manual M3 competition with a coworker and my car pulled easily on him. Here’s a 991.2 GTS vs an m4 CS and you can see the M4 is left beyond comparison. The GTS is not much faster than an S. |
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