Ring: F80 M3 ringtaxi vs GT4 vs Aventador SV

[simon.]

Nice video

Dale can pedal a car along quiet well & races in VLN from time to time. He's lived near the Ring for a number of years now & was a biker nut before discovering cars.

Had a good few laps in with him over the years including a very wet lap that was sideways for most of the lap in an Alfa 156.

[Dirty Tool]

I've had the pleasure of some tuition from Dale and also been a passenger in the ring taxi while he has been driving (M6 Gran Coupe). He is an epic driver and a lovely bloke...the excuses in this video were the same I heard love the competitiveness.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

Those numbers are in a straight line and I believe comparing a 6mt gt4 to a DCT m3, and from a stop.

I believe in the video the GT4 was carrying alot more speed through the corners (which I would expect in a 500 pound lighter, mid-engined car), getting on the throttle faster, and enjoying being in the meat of it's powerband all the time while at speed.

I think he'd be pulling on the m3 after every turn regardless of passengers.

I would definitely rather have a GT4 over an M4 for sure, but if you look at track times across the board on fastest laps, the longer tracks with straights the difference between the 2 cars is less in terms of %.

http://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-cayman-gt4

http://fastestlaps.com/models/bmw-m4

for instance on the 'ring the best times (different drivers different days) the m4 is slower by 10 seconds. that is a small, small percentage, the gt4 clearly spanks the m4 in the curves, and the sweeping transitions, but the long straights.. i think that is where the m4 makes up some of the time.

again, the GT4 is the better car, no argument there.

[Car22]

Originally Posted by Alex@AUTOcouture

its amazing to see how well the gt4 does, and even more to see how the m3 does loaded with people!

Pretty awesome.

[pimp4cheddar]

GT4 pulled so hard!!! MY GAWD!!!

[Mr.blue]

The guy can drive, great video!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by John Tanglewood

Completely unnecessary to start that kind of debate. And FYI as a drivers car I prefer my dads 2002 M Roadster to the Z4M. Cheers!

@X3paul

Oh yeah? My Daddy's 2002 with round taillights ( not a BMW built somewhere Around 2002) is better! :

Edit: no. My father never actually owned a 2002, but it sure sounded good at the time !

[csbear]

Great video! Seeing the GT4 do that makes me shed a tear..

Three great cars, all somewhat different from each other....made it fun to watch. Although he knows the track well, it was cool watching the Ring taxi driver...wow!

[tc328]

Dem E36 Ms tho....

[Eno335]

Awesome video!!

[S4Dude]

I was actually surprised to see the straight line speed advantage of the GT4 over the M3. Great video.

[sq86]

Nice video. Makes me want to go back

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by e90_2_f80

In the hands of a seasoned driver the F80 M3 ring taxi keeps up (with 3 passengers along) with GT4 and Aventador SV on the Nurburgring.

At times you hear the driver checking in on his passengers, and you can clearly see his smooth line, still he is pushing but not all the way to the limit. One of the better videos showcasing how capable the M3 is.

Kudos to great driving!

- PLS Post drivers name if anyone knows

There is already a 75+ post thread on this http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1245699

That guy's name is Dale Lomas and he runs a blog called Bridge to Gantry. He's also a ring taxi driver at RSR IIRC. https://www.youtube.com/user/nurburgdale/videos
http://bridgetogantry.com/2/

[technik330]

... did anyone watch the video from the GT4's view? Damn good driving.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by S4Dude

I was actually surprised to see the straight line speed advantage of the GT4 over the M3. Great video.

with 3 passengers that's a lot of extra weight in the M3

I rode as Dale's passenger in an M6 GC when I did euro delivery and he was definitely hauling.

Super cool guy, and mentioned that he goes his current job by going to the 'Ring a lot as a tourist driver in his Miata, and eventually meeting someone who worked with BMW HQ who was impressed with Dale's driving. Helped Dale with introductions, etc and Dale has been driving for a living ever since.

Dale's story almost made me want to see if I could return my 3 day old F80 and get a Miata instead

[MonacoMurphy]

I love this. I keep skipping to the end to see the Silverstone M3 too because I get mine next week and can't wait!

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by S4Dude

I was actually surprised to see the straight line speed advantage of the GT4 over the M3. Great video.

Assuming both cars have a driver only and no passengers (and assuming the weight of the driver is not drastically different) the M3 actually has slightly better times 0-60, 0-100, quarter mile and 0-150 mph per the various magazines that have tested both. The M3 had three passengers (assuming each one weighed 175 lbs - a 525 lb. disadvantage).

Granted - assuming equal drivers and equal passengers, the GT4 will definitely be faster around a track. But straight line - slight advantage to the M3/M4...

[rallybull]

Originally Posted by sworks335i

Now if only the Lambo had a video....

Then it would become too obvious that the lambo driver was letting off the pedal after those long straights waiting for the other two to catch up. This video is staged!!

[m34m]

There're still Germans in Germany?

[ZMM_OMG]

So much fun to watch and really interesting video(s) on several fronts:

• The Aventador's driver was the least familiar with the track and lost the line several times (e.g. the Carousel). Were it not for the power differential, the Cayman would've stomped him
• The Cayman's driver is clearly familiar with the track, but sure likes to early apex and wasn't using nearly as much of the track as the M3
• The M3 driver's lines were sheer poetry in motion. I aspire to be that smooth
• Interesting to see the drivers taking slightly different lines due to drivetrain configuration (AWD/Mid-engine/RWD).

[LemonOne]

Originally Posted by ZMM_OMG

So much fun to watch and really interesting video(s) on several fronts:

• The Aventador's driver was the least familiar with the track and lost the line several times (e.g. the Carousel). Were it not for the power differential, the Cayman would've stomped him
• The Cayman's driver is clearly familiar with the track, but sure likes to early apex and wasn't using nearly as much of the track as the M3
• The M3 driver's lines were sheer poetry in motion. I aspire to be that smooth
• Interesting to see the drivers taking slightly different lines due to drivetrain configuration (AWD/Mid-engine/RWD).

I agree with you mostly, but I thought he missed the Carousel intentionally because he didn't want to destroy his car.
And YES that M3 driver knows all the secret lines it seems, totally different league in terms of power and handing and yet he was able to stay right behind them.

[cipri]

amazing video , I would say to know how to drive like that is not the "cheapest mod" one can do

also, is Dale German ?