Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Jockey

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1844099

It starts to happen a little later in the thread as any negative opinion of the current design language (even though we're talking about the G87) gets the G80/2 crowd all ruffled.

I’ve made it to page 5 and it’s already interesting.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by minn19

This thread has evolved into many different subjects, the G80/82 design has mostly taken a backseat.

They are a pretty insecure crowd, it’s on full display over three different sections of this site now. If they truly like their car they shouldn’t feel the need to jump into every thread they see to defend the G80/82’s honor.

Where your time and money are, there your heart will be also. It is personal to someone when they spend “$90k cash” on a car and it’s constantly attacked. I am in no way justifying the argument at all, merely my external no dog in the fight perspective.

Personally, I don’t react that way and I can imagine many don’t as well, but for those who act like you called their baby ugly…… see above

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by minn19

This thread has evolved into many different subjects, the G80/82 design has mostly taken a backseat.

They are a pretty insecure crowd, it’s on full display over three different sections of this site now. If they truly like their car they shouldn’t feel the need to jump into every thread they see to defend the G80/82’s honor.

That's where the "two-way street" thing comes into play.

It's also important to note that G8x owners have a real financial connection to the discussion and it's theoretically easier to justify owners investing time talking about (and possibly defending) their purchases.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

That's where the "two-way street" thing comes into play.

It's also important to note that G8x owners have a real financial connection to the discussion and it's theoretically easier to justify owners investing time talking about (and possibly defending) their purchases.

But it’s not a two way street. The detractors get this thread and the G80/82 fanboys get the run of the entire site.

I guess I’m not following the financial connection. We all have a financial connections to our cars. I guess I should be really pissed as my Cayman was more than the vast majority of G80/82s?

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by minn19

But it’s not a two way street. The detractors get this thread and the G80/82 fanboys get the run of the entire site.

I guess I’m not following the financial connection. We all have a financial connections to our cars. I guess I should be really pissed as my Cayman was more than the vast majority of G80/82s?

Yes, detractors have been largely filtered out of the dedicated G8x forum, but you still see the negative feedback permeate practically every other discussion (see the G87 thread). It's two-way in that you say G8x defenders are everywhere, and one can say that G8x detractors are everywhere (except where mods have cleaned things up), and that discussion takes two to dance.

Re: financial connection - if you opted to "defend" your car or otherwise weigh in with your own opinions, there's better justification for that than for non-owners spending precious time on something they don't own and have no plans nor desire to own. At least one could say, "Well, minn owns a Cayman, I get why they're posting about it."

[minn19]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Yes, detractors have been largely filtered out of the dedicated G8x forum, but you still see the negative feedback permeate practically every other discussion (see the G87 thread). It's two-way in that you say G8x defenders are everywhere, and one can say that G8x detractors are everywhere (except where mods have cleaned things up), and that discussion takes two to dance.

Re: financial connection - if you opted to "defend" your car or otherwise weigh in with your own opinions, there's better justification for that than for non-owners spending precious time on something they don't own and have no plans nor desire to own. At least one could say, "Well, minn owns a Cayman, I get why they're posting about it."

Again, it’s tough to have a true two way street one only one side is targeted. I assume this train wreck of thread I’m reading about the new M2 will be similarly dealt with.

I see what you are saying now about the financial part. I find this situation different as the main detractors here are longtime BMW fans and owners of multiple generations etc. Whom the vast majority were ready to buy the G80/82. Worse, BMW marketing has seemed to turn on this same crowd and I don’t blame them for being pissed after years/decades of loyalty. Now you get called names like boomer etc for said loyalty?

[Jockey]

Well the mods finally did some cleaning of the G87 thread.

It's about time

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Well the mods finally did some cleaning of the G87 thread.

It's about time

Damn it, I haven’t made it through it yet.

The render around page 9 of a white one is meh. One poster that got drowned out hit the nail on the head IMO. They said it’s just an uninspired design. I agree with them, it just looks kind of lazy/generic. Hopefully the final product is better.

I’ll admit though that I find the M2,3,4 (especially the CS versions) some of the best looking BMW designs ever. So it’s tough for me to warm up to the new directions.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by minn19

Again, it’s tough to have a true two way street one only one side is targeted. I assume this train wreck of thread I’m reading about the new M2 will be similarly dealt with.

I see what you are saying now about the financial part. I find this situation different as the main detractors here are longtime BMW fans and owners of multiple generations etc. Whom the vast majority were ready to buy the G80/82. Worse, BMW marketing has seemed to turn on this same crowd and I don’t blame them for being pissed after years/decades of loyalty. Now you get called names like boomer etc for said loyalty?

As someone whose day job involves building product and brand, I agree with you completely regarding the oddly confrontational nature of BMW's design and marketing. As much as I enjoy the new look, ultimately, I think it's bad business to not find a way to bring along loyal customers who have invested significantly into the brand and, if I were BMW, I would've worked harder to achieve something with wider appeal amongst the core customer base or simply taken the more predictable design path and saved the new language for the electric cars or another line with customers who will tolerate change (just as Bangle started with the 7-series 20 years ago, with the E92 M3 getting the best and most refined iteration of that language). If I were a founder, I'm not sure needlessly pi**ing away so much brand equity would sit well with me, regardless of the independent merits of the design. I'm pretty sure they could've achieved a new and highly distinctive design language without incurring so much negativity. I look at Lotus and the Emira; people are still happy to give great designs their props, even if they're different from what came before.

Fortunately for BMW, practically every measurable part of the car is top-tier and this project is unlikely to fail because of that. I also give BMW the benefit of the doubt on the wisdom of this direction, which has been validated by general reception on the street, as well as my own love of the design.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

As someone whose day job involves building product and brand, I agree with you completely regarding the oddly confrontational nature of BMW's design and marketing.

W&K? Nike? Boutique?

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

W&K? Nike? Boutique?

Did my location give it away?

None of those, though ...

[ABenLauda]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Again, to be fair, you have to apply that criticism the other direction too. People antagonize from both sides. It's not just the pro-G8X crowd.

Again, to be fair, hasn't the G8x forums become pro G8x since anyone who wasn't pro G8x was censored and/or banned?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

I'll admit though that I find the M2,3,4 (especially the CS versions) some of the best looking BMW designs ever. So it's tough for me to warm up to the new directions.

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Fortunately for BMW, practically every measurable part of the car is top-tier and this project is unlikely to fail because of that. I also give BMW the benefit of the doubt on the wisdom of this direction, which has been validated by general reception on the street, as well as my own love of the design.

The statements in bold I agree with 100%. As a complete car…..an overall concept, the F8X is probably the best looking BMW the company has ever produced IMHO. I know some will disagree. I also don't think BMW is run by idiots and I think they performed significant market research and/or had directional insight before this new design language was ushered in. I think it has proven thus far to be a good move for the company, not necessarily for those who don't care for the drastic change.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ABenChod

Again, to be fair, hasn't the G8x forums become pro G8x since anyone who wasn't pro G8x was censored and/or banned?

No, only select persons were banned. I have not the rhyme nor reason for how that was instituted. Being a long time mod on a few other large BMW and Ducati forums, most bans are generated because of reports, so I would assume people were reporting the banned members.

[icegrill]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Did my location give it away?

None of those, though ...

So intriguing…Portland is not the darling it once was. Similar to BMW now that you mention it😲

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by icegrill

So intriguing…Portland is not the darling it once was. Similar to BMW now that you mention it😲

Best part of my 30 some odd years there was not even turning around to see it in my rear view. Been 7 brilliant years and I’ve been told it’s changed, and not for the better, since I shat it from my existence.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by kindafrosty

This is a forum with (some) free speech where relevant opinions are welcome, not some communist regime. People should be allowed to broadcast their opinion positive or negative, yet a select few G8x folks continue to instigate these quarrels by assuming that conflicting opinions are an attack on their recent purchase.

I'm just going to say this because it needs to be said, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE SPEECH FOR A FORUM RUN BY A NON-GOVERNMENT ENTITY. The first amendment is only meant to stop the government from infringing your free speech, not any private person, entity, company, website, etc. You have no "free speech" right anywhere, and anybody can censor you all they want, unless they are the government.

I don't like that the forum bans people and deletes opinions they don't like, but they have 100% right to do it and we have a right not to use the forum. If this is communism then so is every baker that doesn't want to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

[icegrill]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Best part of my 30 some odd years there was not even turning around to see it in my rear view. Been 7 brilliant years and I’ve been told it’s changed, and not for the better, since I shat it from my existence.

Seven years ago it was still a clean semi functional city. The wheels have literally fallen off now.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by icegrill

Seven years ago it was still a clean semi functional city. The wheels have literally fallen off now.

Le sad

[Peertwelve]

Originally Posted by Jockey

I, I just don't get it. The thread is about the G87. They turned it into a G80/2 circle jerk.

If you're that insecure about your purchase, maybe everyone else is onto something.

Which thread is this? I don't know if I can't find it or if I've been shadow banned 🤣

Edit: found it above.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by minn19

Damn it, I haven’t made it through it yet.

The render around page 9 of a white one is meh. One poster that got drowned out hit the nail on the head IMO. They said it’s just an uninspired design. I agree with them, it just looks kind of lazy/generic. Hopefully the final product is better.

I’ll admit though that I find the M2,3,4 (especially the CS versions) some of the best looking BMW designs ever. So it’s tough for me to warm up to the new directions.

It basically started when someone randomly said Markus Flasch should be fired for approving recent designs. Then said new owners of recent designs got their panties in a bunch. Dumpster fire ensues.

[swagon]

Sedan_Clan

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