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      01-15-2016, 10:12 AM   #287
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Am I the only one here who thinks the seats are hideous? I keep thinking of my kids poking me in the kidneys as I drive.
I don't think they are hideous. I did think about my daughter kicking the wife and I by accident or for fun.
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What a huge slap in the face from BMW releasing this just halfway through the 2nd model year. I know it's not a huge improvement, but they clearly could have included all of this on the release model.

If they don't offer some kind of retrofit option to early adopters, then this will be my last BMW.
That's what I said before I bought my last 4 iPhones. From now on, people with stripey seatbelts and wine cellar wheels are definitely going to be pointing at you and snickering.
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      01-15-2016, 10:18 AM   #289
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The sense of entitlement is amazing. BMW owes you nothing in the way of release dates that suit your personal wants.

Everyone knew BMW was releasing a CP "in the future" and to be honest it was suspected as early as June/July 2015 ( I read it on these boards) that it was likely to come Spring 2016. Buying before it was released was 100% your choice.
So you are suggesting that those who purchased 2015 / early 2016's whose cars are now essentially obsolete should not be upset? Tell me the last time that a CP came out this soon for an M3, I can guarantee it wasn't after 1.5 years...
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So you are suggesting that those who purchased 2015 / early 2016's whose cars are now essentially obsolete should not be upset? Tell me the last time that a CP came out this soon for an M3, I can guarantee it wasn't after 1.5 years...
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      01-15-2016, 10:21 AM   #291
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So you are suggesting that those who purchased 2015 / early 2016's whose cars are now essentially obsolete should not be upset? Tell me the last time that a CP came out this soon for an M3, I can guarantee it wasn't after 1.5 years...
You mean... like the guys that bought a 1995 M3 that had a 3.0L, and then in 1996, they changed it to a 3.2L?

End of production for the F80 is Fall 2018. By the time this is available in March, that will not be THAT far away from the halfway point.

If you wanted ZCP that bad, you should have waited as this was well known it was coming. If you don't care about it (like a ton of current M3/4 owners), then just enjoy your car. Saying your car is all of a sudden obsolete is pretty absurd.

Pretty simple if you ask me.
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      01-15-2016, 10:22 AM   #292
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This type of thing happens with early adopters of anything.
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      01-15-2016, 10:24 AM   #293
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Tell me the last time that a CP came out this soon for an M3, I can guarantee it wasn't after 1.5 years...
You're right, it was 1.75 years.

The E92 M3 went on sale in the US in mid 2008, and the Competition Package arrived in March 2010.

So, for sure if they'd have held off just a couple more months, you wouldn't be upset at all.

By the way, technically it will be 1.75 years this time around too since the car launched mid 2014 and ZCP arrives March 2016.
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      01-15-2016, 10:28 AM   #294
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So you are suggesting that those who purchased 2015 / early 2016's whose cars are now essentially obsolete should not be upset? Tell me the last time that a CP came out this soon for an M3, I can guarantee it wasn't after 1.5 years...
I don't think you understand what either of those words mean.

Spend more time with a dictionary, less time blasting out meaningless opinions on the interwebs.
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      01-15-2016, 10:30 AM   #295
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This thread is starting to go south quick... It's just an option package people! If you dig, get it, if not, it's your choice...

Im going to start an "M3 Executive Pack thread" and see if I can get 12 pages worth of responses, I mean after all that's 3500.

In short, an... M3 w/o comp package is still very much an M3, just like one w/o a head up display is, just like one with a sunroof still is, and just like they all are!

Personally i think 5500 is fine for it. Am I jealous I didn't get one, not really, do I think it's cool yes. If I was ordering today it'd cause some confusion, just like the CCBs did, but I'd probably pass. But what I wouldn't do is question people who do, be depressed or mad at BMW mine wasn't built the same way.
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      01-15-2016, 10:33 AM   #296
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This thread is starting to go south quick... It's just an option package people! If you dig, get it, if not, it's your choice...

Im going to start an "M3 Executive Pack thread" and see if I can get 12 pages worth of responses, I mean after all that's 3500.

In short, an... M3 w/o comp package is still very much an M3, just like one w/o a head up display is, just like one with a sunroof still is, and just like they all are!

Personally i think 5500 is fine for it. Am I jealous I didn't get one, not really, do I think it's cool yes. If I was ordering today it'd cause some confusion, just like the CCBs did, but I'd probably pass. But what I wouldn't do is question people who do, be depressed or mad at BMW mine wasn't built the same way.
well said.

Best post in this thread.

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      01-15-2016, 10:39 AM   #297
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You're right, it was 1.75 years.

The E92 M3 went on sale in the US in mid 2008, and the Competition Package arrived in March 2010.

So, for sure if they'd have held off just a couple more months, you wouldn't be upset at all.

By the way, technically it will be 1.75 years this time around too since the car launched mid 2014 and ZCP arrives March 2016.
That is only a half-truth though, we had the 2008, 2009 and 2010 model years before the CP was released.

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I don't think you understand what either of those words mean.

Spend more time with a dictionary, less time blasting out meaningless opinions on the interwebs.
Please enlighten me then with your definition of those words kind sir, I beg of you.
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What a huge slap in the face from BMW releasing this just halfway through the 2nd model year. I know it's not a huge improvement, but they clearly could have included all of this on the release model.

If they don't offer some kind of retrofit option to early adopters, then this will be my last BMW.
Someone just mentioned that a retrofit is coming soon, so you might be in luck man.

Granted, I'm not thrilled with it either, but the changes are minor in the grand scheme of things. Hell it can be argued that the LCI changes are more impactful.
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      01-15-2016, 10:47 AM   #299
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Anyone have any further information on the exhaust yet? Is it actually different parts or just tips and a tuned sound? Weight difference? Anything?
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That is only a half-truth though, we had the 2008, 2009 and 2010 model years before the CP was released.
You didn't say anything about model years though. So, no, it's the full truth.

Also, be honest, if the F8x M3/M4 would have launched as an MY2014 instead of an MY2015, that would not change your opinion of the situation at all. The model year designations don't change the number of months the car has been available.
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So you are suggesting that those who purchased 2015 / early 2016's whose cars are now essentially obsolete should not be upset?
Hmmm, I don't know about all that but what I will tell you is that I have been having the time of my life with my obsolete civic F80 since this past May and I suspect that will continue into the future.

But that's just a hunch


Btw, I knew a ZCP was going to come out, in fact, there were rumors at the time of June 2015...a month after I took ED, and yet I made that decision willingly, even happily. Life is full of changes and evolution, don't let them get into your head and ruin a great experience for you.

When I start feeling this way I remember that there are a great number of people who would do almost anything to drive the cars that we do. I get reminded of this by a few friends (and even family) now and again....it's good perspective.
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      01-15-2016, 10:51 AM   #302
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Anyone have any further information on the exhaust yet? Is it actually different parts or just tips and a tuned sound? Weight difference? Anything?
The muffler is a completely different part number. There's no info on what exactly that entails, but my guess is just a stock exhaust with less baffles or none at all. That's how it was for the M5/6 ZCP. Info from M5:

Is the Competition Package Sport Exhaust different than upcoming M Performance Exhaust?

Yes, it's positioned between the stock exhaust and the M Performance Exhaust. It's not titanium like the M Performance Exhaust. It's sportier sounding than the stock exhaust by having its baffles pulled from the muffler. No power gains and no flow change.
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You didn't say anything about model years though. So, no, it's the full truth.

Also, be honest, if the F8x M3/M4 would have launched as an MY2014 instead of an MY2015, that would not change your opinion of the situation at all. The model year designations don't change the number of months the car has been available.
Fair point....and I don't want to drag this out, but I guess my main problem is that with a HP bump that is likely derived from a simple software change, they easily could have just included it at inception.

I guess I will just wait and see what comes of the retrofit option though.
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Since there are no photos of the M3 competition package, I went ahead and did it. Plus, Long Beach Blue

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This type of thing happens with early adopters of anything.
Yeah, being a late adopter and having the next generation model come out 2 years after your purchase is a lot better.
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Since there are no photos of the M3 competition package, I went ahead and did it. Plus, Long Beach Blue

Thank you! Glad we could get back on topic. I think that looks great. I've always maintained that the 666M wheels don't work too well with white cars. And that's all we've seen between the F80 test car and the M4 ZCP release.

IMHO, the color of the car changes the vibe of the wheels completely. How about one in Signal Green

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Yeah, being a late adopter and having the next generation model come out 2 years after your purchase is a lot better.
Middle is where it's always at.
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      01-15-2016, 11:06 AM   #307
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I sure hope the changes they made to the suspension damping are extreme.

Because by today's standards for performance oriented cars, the damping on the standard M is embarrassing.

You pay top dollar for that M badge, you expect world class suspension/damping, yet cars as cheap as an Audi S3 with its magnetic shocks kill it in the damping department.

And even if their updates are extreme, you shouldn't have to pay extra for it when you are buying an M badged car.

Unless you need adjustability for the track, you should not feel like you have to step up to a coil-over suspension to get world class damping on an M.
Serious question, what is so embarrassing about it? And if you think this why did you buy one? Did you mod the suspension already to suit the way you like it?
Specifically, the low speed rebound damping is sloppy. Way too much vertical motion and floatiness


It's not crisp, it's not well controlled.
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I don't think you understand what either of those words mean.

Spend more time with a dictionary, less time blasting out meaningless opinions on the interwebs.
Exactly! How he renders a car that has been available about 1.5 years obsolete is beyond me.
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