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      07-23-2014, 12:22 PM   #67
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I test drove the new M3 this past weekend. Once I turned off the car it said "N" on the dash, so my sales guy told me that you have to click the start/stop button a second time to get the car into "P"
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      07-23-2014, 12:28 PM   #68
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I test drove the new M3 this past weekend. Once I turned off the car it said "N" on the dash, so my sales guy told me that you have to click the start/stop button a second time to get the car into "P"
Per my prior post I (currently) believe the car must be restarted, put into gear, and then shut off to get it into P.
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I test drove the new M3 this past weekend. Once I turned off the car it said "N" on the dash, so my sales guy told me that you have to click the start/stop button a second time to get the car into "P"
Exactly.........but your foot must be off the brake for it to go into P. With foot on the brake the engine will just fire up again.
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It's only an issue because it's different than my old M3 and I happen to have found myself in Neutral a couple of times.

I just tried again and I was unable to get it into P without re-starting the engine and putting it in gear and then turning off again. I could not do it by taking my foot off the brake and then hitting stop/start again--all that did was re-start the engine.

I did not experiment with the handbrake so I suppose that could be the difference.
There is something not right here- your car shouldn't start unless your foot is on the brake?

Did you put it in neutral, push button with foot on brake THEN take foot off brake then hit the button a second time?
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      07-23-2014, 01:03 PM   #71
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moral of the story here, is don't turn off your car in neutral
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      07-23-2014, 01:14 PM   #72
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Sounds like someone with a F8x should test different ways to try to get car in P and post results.

Wouldn't pulling the E brake while in N before turning car off also throw it into P?
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      07-23-2014, 01:43 PM   #73
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If the engine is running and you are in neutral and press the start/stop button once the engine shuts off and the car remains in neutral. If you press the button again as long as your foot isn't on the brake pedal, the transmission goes into park.

First button press turns the engine off, second press turn the car off. If only the engine is off the car can be neutral. The car can't be turned "off" and still be in neutral, if the car is turned off then it goes into park automatically.

If you leave your 6MT in neutral and turn the car off do you get any type of warning message about the cars potential roll?

The DCT really isn't that difficult. Just press the start/stop button twice and the car turns off and goes into park. I really hope that isn't too complicated for people driving a car of this caliber.
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      07-23-2014, 03:22 PM   #74
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The DCT really isn't that difficult. Just press the start/stop button twice and the car turns off and goes into park. I really hope that isn't too complicated for people driving a car of this caliber.
That's much easier to convey especially if someone who isn't familiar with it is driving (spouse, valet).
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      07-23-2014, 03:28 PM   #75
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That's much easier to convey especially if someone who isn't familiar with it is driving (spouse, valet).
In a way, I see this as a good thing and deters people from trying to drive one's car in same fashion few know how to drive stick
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      07-23-2014, 03:40 PM   #76
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In a way, I see this as a good thing and deters people from trying to drive one's car in same fashion few know how to drive stick
Agreed, less likely for it to be driven by those who shouldn't be driving it (spouse, valet...lol)
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      07-23-2014, 03:53 PM   #77
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moral of the story here, is don't turn off your car in neutral
Generally that's a good rule to follow, but this feature allows the car to be in neutral while the engine is not running if necessary. When you turn it off while in gear (the normal course of action), it goes into Park automatically with no way to get it into Neutral at that point.
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      07-23-2014, 04:09 PM   #78
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The manual says:

P Park

P is engaged automatically:
  • After the engine is switched off, if the car is in radio ready state or if the ignition is switched off and if position R or D is engaged
  • If the ignition is switched off and position N is engaged
  • If the safety belt is unbuckled, the driver's door is open, and the brake pedal is not pressed while the vehicle is stationary and transmission position R or D is engaged
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      07-23-2014, 04:46 PM   #79
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i reverse park everywhere... so i bring it down to neutral pull the e-brake stop the car and then with my foot off the brake hit stop again so it goes into P.

I know thats tedious but that makes the most sense to me... why would i put it back into gear when i'm finished reversing?

Is this something wrong or is it ok?

edit: reading above i guess i'll just park it from Reverse gear... didn't know if that harmed the tranny or not
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      07-24-2014, 07:46 AM   #81
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OK, I'm the OP on this and here to clear it up (hopefully):

1. Car running, in gear (D or R or #). Foot on brake. Hit stop. Result: P. Car switched off.

2. Car running, in N. Foot on brake. Hit stop. Result: N. Message: Secure car against rolling, etc. Engine is stopped but car is not off. Changing gears is not possible at this point. If you press start/stop with your foot on the brake the engine will restart.

3. Car running, in N. FOOT OFF OF THE BRAKE. Press stop. Result: N. Motor, off. Car on. "Secure against rolling etc." Leaving foot off the brake, press stop again. Result: P. Car is switched off.

A couple of people knew this right away but it's taken the rest of us awhile to catch up.
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      07-24-2014, 08:06 AM   #82
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Thanks gmarshman. More clear than the owner's manual for sure.

So instead of a manual P button or shift position, we get this simple, concise, easy to follow decision tree.
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So to be simply idle one would have to pull the E-brake while in N. BMW was doing this when we did driver swaps
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So to be simply idle one would have to pull the E-brake while in N. BMW was doing this when we did driver swaps
No need no put the car in N in this case. Once you bring the car to a full stop, the clutches are held open until the accelerator is applied again.

For a driver swap, the driver door would be opened so the car would automatically go into neutral at that point. It will also chime at you I believe so perhaps that is why they put it into neutral manually. It's also a good safety practice to not exit the car with the engine running and the car in gear. A good habit to force even if the car will do it for you.
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What are you guys doing in N anyway? I can probably count the times I put my E90 M3 into N on one hand over ~4 years and ~40k miles of daily driving...This shouldn't really be an issue IMO.
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F10 M5 works the same way. If you put it in neutral and shut off the engine, then you have to press the start button again with your foot off the brake.
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OK, I'm the OP on this and here to clear it up (hopefully):

1. Car running, in gear (D or R or #). Foot on brake. Hit stop. Result: P. Car switched off.

2. Car running, in N. Foot on brake. Hit stop. Result: N. Message: Secure car against rolling, etc. Engine is stopped but car is not off. Changing gears is not possible at this point. If you press start/stop with your foot on the brake the engine will restart.

3. Car running, in N. FOOT OFF OF THE BRAKE. Press stop. Result: N. Motor, off. Car on. "Secure against rolling etc." Leaving foot off the brake, press stop again. Result: P. Car is switched off.

A couple of people knew this right away but it's taken the rest of us awhile to catch up.
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Thanks for the info. I just spent an hour flipping through the manual trying to figure out if I could keep car in neutral with the ignition off. With my other M3 E46 MT, I push my car out of the garage before starting in the morning. My home is fairly new so there is a slight incline, very minimal effort required. My wife is a light sleeper and our bedroom is on top of garage. The fact that I can't push this one out is bit of sore spot. Especially given it is significantly louder at idle. I guess I need to hurry up and build a shed and clean out our other garage to make room for my new F80.

I did discover I can abort the start and get it in neutral with ignition on. Then push it out.
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