Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

Now, if BMW was smart about this: they should push a new bumper via the M Performance Catalog (just like they did in the E9x series).

1. New redesigned front bumper costing you another kidney
and state that your warranty will not be impacted (this will drive sales).

Do the same for the rear.

Result: Increased sales

If the G80/G82 had manageable grilles to go with that bumper, consider me interested!

[NSX2M4]

There was a white G82 behind me at a light today. Honestly have to say the grills look much uglier in person...

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

both look pretty bad

rather have a 2018 M5 for $70-80k. unless you really want a stick in a 2 ton boat.

The bummer about the new M5 is that it is gorgeous inside and out, but boring as hell to drive. Same as the 8 series IMO.

[jpy1980]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

There was a white G82 behind me at a light today. Honestly have to say the grills look much uglier in person...

I think this is the first time I heard its uglier in person...ARE YOU NOT DRINKING THE G80 KOOLAID?! =P haha jk

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by jpy1980

I think this is the first time I heard its uglier in person...ARE YOU NOT DRINKING THE G80 KOOLAID?! =P haha jk

People can beat around the bush all day, BUT... Everyone in motorsports know the underlying facts.

[deeldoo]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

I think the CT4/5 looks better from all angles except the back due to the trunk seems to bulk out but it's better than the prolapse ass G80 got from the side, and I think the exhaust flows better in the CT design.

The G80 looks 100 times better and the G80 is the 3rd ugliest car alive

[stein_325i]

I actually really like the vertical running lights although I get why they aren't everyone's cup of tea. To me both previous generations are better looking cars, but I still do enjoy the looks of these cars and find that they aren't a huge deviation off of the previous Cadillac-V design language.

I think the CT5-V BW will be the hotter seller though. It was the first model to sell out instantly before the CT4-V BW, despite the higher price. The CT5-V BW is the only production V8 Manual Sedan I can think of on the market, every other option is pretty much gone since the F10 was discontinued.

Also interestingly Cadi will offer magnesium wheels later in the model's cycle.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by minn19

The bummer about the new M5 is that it is gorgeous inside and out, but boring as hell to drive. Same as the 8 series IMO.

Agree, the 5-series in general is just becoming really stale. I absolutely hated my G30 540i, felt like I was driving a Buick. Took a drive in the M5 at the M-Town event and all the power in the world can't make up for how numb the car is in every aspect. I call it "The Ultimate Novocain Machine."

[Arcades]

I... do not like the design of the front and rear tail lights of the Caddy. It is way over designed. That rear trunk spoiler looks like something straight out of Dinmann and cranked it up 5x in size and shoved it on the car.

P.S. Apparently the iX pricing is basically at $85,000. lol

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Arcades

P.S. Apparently the iX pricing is basically at $85,000. lol

Did they not see how poorly the Audi E-Tron and its $75k starting price did when it arrived? They had to put serious discounts into these cars to move them and that was with the tax credit. I remember my local dealer made them into loaner cars because they just sat on the lots. Even now they've lowered the price to $65k because no one was buying them with their high price tag. I'll give them one thing though, Audi made the car look great, and look like a normal SUV and normal Audi, it didn't need to scream that it was electric.

All they had to do was make an electric X5 with great specs, I'm not sure why it has to look like a fat MPV doing its worst imitation of a BMW.

[stein_325i]

In other news the W206 C63S will be getting a lot of the upcoming GT73's F1-inspired technology. The M139 will be paired with the 9MCT and an electric turbocharger, 48-Volt mild-hybrid system, and plug-in hybrid battery with 4Matic+ able to turn off the front-axle. Long-Term reliability should be very interesting Rumors say 540hp and 590lb-ft of torque but also a weight gain due to the electric technology.

Looks like now is the time to pick up a V8 C63 before the end of an era begins.

New Mercedes-AMG C63e to tap F1 tech and GT73’s PHEV set-up

[minn19]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

In other news the W206 C63S will be getting a lot of the upcoming GT73's F1-inspired technology. The M139 will be paired with the 9MCT and an electric turbocharger, 48-Volt mild-hybrid system, and plug-in hybrid battery with 4Matic+ able to turn off the front-axle. Rumors say 540hp and 590lb-ft of torque but also a weight gain due to the electric technology.

Looks like now is the time to pick up a V8 C63 before the end of an era begins.

New Mercedes-AMG C63e to tap F1 tech and GT73’s PHEV set-up

Weight gain?!? According to the article (rumored) 500 plus pounds! Geezus.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by minn19

Weight gain?!? According to the article (rumored) 500 plus pounds! Geezus.

Agree its annoying, thing is gonna be a porker. While I am disappointed with the cylinder loss, I have to say I am super curious about the F1-inspired tech. My CLS has some of the newer tech, such as the Mild-Hybrid and Electric Supercharger which really does transform the character and response of the engine. It goes from being just another boosted straight-six, to an engine thats torquey and almost naturally aspirated feel in its building of power and delivery.

This technology in the AMG GT 4-Door, with its V8 should be really cool, plus the GT 4-door was always a heavy car/expected to be heavy so it likely won't be as bad on the weight.

This Jason Cammisa instagram post pretty much details the interesting and complex nature of the engine.

Originally Posted by Jason Cammisa

A moment of silence, as we mourn the death of turbo lag. ⁣⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣⁣⁣ Haha fuck that — amen, good riddance, and don't come back. I hate turbo lag!⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣⁣⁣ The 3.0-liter M256 straight-six ⁣⁣⁣⁣makes 429 hp and 384 lb-ft. But forget everything you know about turbo engines: it responds, sounds, and pulls like a big NA V12. ⁣⁣⁣⁣Bonus: same MPG as the 4-cylinder E300 4Matic! ⁣⁣⁣⁣ Its trick? It a @borgwarnerincperformance electric supercharger called an eBooster.⁣⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣⁣⁣ It spins from idle to 70,000 rpm in only 0.25 seconds and generates almost 7 psi of boost.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣⁣⁣ Powered by 48V battery and takes 5000 watts (7 hp!) to spool up... but that boost gives you ~10x that power out the engine. That means you don't need to have a huge, heavy 70-hp electric motor to fill in. ⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣⁣⁣ (The McLaren P1 used a 177-hp #torquefill motor. Acura NSX used 3: 36, 36, and 47 hp! That is HEAVY.)⁣ ⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ The M256 also has a small electric motor — 21-hp, 184 lb-ft — and it replaces the flywheel, starter, and alternator. It also provides torque-fill while the eBooster and turbo spool.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣⁣⁣ Once the regular turbo spools up, the eBooster and motor fade out. ⁣With so many things to coordinate, this could have been a bucky, surgy disaster. Mercedes knocked it out of the park — this has the best boost control of any engine I've ever experienced. Coming on the throttle or off the throttle (which is just as difficult to manage), it responds like an na engine. And best of all, it's a #straightsix with all the smoothness and sound. ⁣⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣⁣⁣ Expect to see this tech everywhere. I'd kill for an eBoosted #GTI.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣⁣Best engine I've experienced in a long time.⁣⁣ Bravo!⁣

[clutchdj]

sexy car. MB has kept that hoodline going since the SLK kompressor. don't ruin a good thing.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Agree its annoying, thing is gonna be a porker. While I am disappointed with the cylinder loss, I have to say I am super curious about the F1-inspired tech. My CLS has some of the newer tech, such as the Mild-Hybrid and Electric Supercharger which really does transform the character and response of the engine. It goes from being just another boosted straight-six, to an engine thats torquey and almost naturally aspirated feel in its building of power and delivery.

This technology in the AMG GT 4-Door, with its V8 should be really cool, plus the GT 4-door was always a heavy car/expected to be heavy so it likely won't be as bad on the weight.

This Jason Cammisa instagram post pretty much details the interesting and complex nature of the engine.

So my guess about the I6 paired with the EV was correct a few pages back.

AMG would catch hell shoving a 4 popper in a C63. No matter how much easier it would be for Benz to do so, the car would lose so much soul people would rage.

At LEAST it has the Inline 6. Losing the V8 sucks but it isn't the stupid Inline 4. So, the only cars that would have the legendary V8/V12 engines would be their AMG GT cars and the dumb AMG G-Wagon that tilts when it turns.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Arcades

So my guess about the I6 paired with the EV was correct a few pages back.

AMG would catch hell shoving a 4 popper in a C63. No matter how much easier it would be for Benz to do so, the car would lose so much soul people would rage.

At LEAST it has the Inline 6. Losing the V8 sucks but it isn't the stupid Inline 4. So, the only cars that would have the legendary V8/V12 engines would be their AMG GT cars and the dumb AMG G-Wagon that tilts when it turns.

No its still gonna be a 4-popper, MB has confirmed that the I6 does not fit in the new W206 without compromises and that the entire lineup will feature electrified 4-cylinders. Also technically the I6 (M256) is not an AMG-engine, only the M139 I4 and M177 V8 are AMG handbuilt engines. The M256's future is unknown as the upcoming SL and GT will keep their V8's, however its unconfirmed as whether they will receive the M139 or M256 for their lower trim levels.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

No its still gonna be a 4-popper, MB has confirmed that the I6 does not fit in the new W206 without compromises and that the entire lineup will feature electrified 4-cylinders. Also technically the I6 (M256) is not an AMG-engine, only the M139 I4 and M177 V8 are AMG handbuilt engines. The M256's future is unknown as the upcoming SL and GT will keep their V8's, however its unconfirmed as whether they will receive the M139 or M256 for their lower trim levels.

oh ffs.

Great.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Presumably. We'll have that answer in 4 years.

[GrussGott]

^^^^ UPDATE ^^^^

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by Arcades

oh ffs.

Great.

This was my exact reaction when I heard about the C63 being a 4cyl

[swagon]

They could've at least given the C 63 S an inline six and have the marketing department spin it around as a retro throwback to the W202 C 36... but I guess thinking of it as "Formula 1 technology for the average Joe" works, too. Just like it did in the late 90s and early 2000s with, for example, single-clutch "F1-style" gearboxes that were the hype back then.

I just saw the upcoming Datsun 400Z this morning in the news. Seems promising even if it might not exactly be all-new. I'm stoked. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...leaked-photos/

[Tecnniqe]

Oooh a new Datsun

Color me interested.


As for the F1 technology... I guess we'll see