Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

BMW AG cracking down on the ubiquitous copies of ISTA/INPA diagnostic tools that have been shared on the Internet since the dawn of the time. From E90post:



Wonder if they've ever visited this thread.

They probably get daily reports

I've actually been considering getting a more family friendly X5 Competition lately

Decisions decisions

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

They probably get daily reports

I've actually been considering getting a more family friendly X5 Competition lately

Decisions decisions

BMW is going to be at a losing battle if they think they can defeat DIYers and especially hackers.

Aside from the fact that it is a simple numbers game, there will always be owners that refuses to pay +$100 for something they can unlock themselves.

They said the S58 would be harder to crack and they did it pretty early when the X3M/X4M came out. For me, unlike hacking/cheating gamers, these unlocking things saves us headaches and we are better for it. I root for them.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It’s probably linked to the fact they want to sell “on demand” features, if hackers can activate them themselves it defeats the business model.

Agreed on this and I actually think that it's a good reason to deny access to the newer cars - my main gripe is that they're completely screwing over legacy car owners which I'm sure is an convenient, or more likely, intended consequence. To be fair ISTA is out there and will likely never get scrubbed, but still, newtis was such a great resource for long term owners.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

They probably get daily reports

I've actually been considering getting a more family friendly X5 Competition lately

Decisions decisions

Wouldn't you have stones thrown at you for buying a petrol V8 SUV in Norway?

[swagon]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Agreed on this and I actually think that it's a good reason to deny access to the newer cars - my main gripe is that they're completely screwing over legacy car owners which I'm sure is an convenient, or more likely, intended consequence. To be fair ISTA is out there and will likely never get scrubbed, but still, newtis was such a great resource for long term owners.

It sucks, yeah, but it's just that all these freely available ETKs, newTIS' and diagnostic software apps were/are illegal copies. There's a reason, I think, why the remaining ETKs (realoem, bimmercat, etc.) have not been updated since January 2020. Well, except this one. They had an official ETK on German BMW site until last year - they could've kept that one really...

Still, us BMW guys have had it very easy with widely available DIYs, coding and tuning.

[Humdizzle]

time stamped to 2:22

Matt and Doug's takes on which M3 generation is the best.

[Multimodal]

The M3 discussion starts at 2:22:48

Synopsis:
Matt: E46 > E90 > E30 > F80 > E36 > G80
Doug: G80 is the best. E30 and E36 were underpowered. E46 and E92 were great cars but had big problems. F80 was too big. The next M3 won't have a stick and the one after that won't even have a gasoline engine. E90 and E46 are probably objectively the best buy but they have a lot of problems.

[swagon]

Besides bearings and throttle actuators, there really isn't anything major that the E9x M3 suffers from.

Doesn't rust and lose its subframes like the E46.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

Wouldn't you have stones thrown at you for buying a petrol V8 SUV in Norway?

Yeah, pretty much

The simplest would be to keep the M4 and get a secondary electric for daily use but maaan how much of the driving joy is sound.

Acceleration means very little to me as an overall enjoyment of a vehicle.

That said I had my eyes on the F150 Lightning for a while but that looks like a 2023 at the earliest.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Yeah, pretty much

The simplest would be to keep the M4 and get a secondary electric for daily use but maaan how much of the driving joy is sound.

Acceleration means very little to me as an overall enjoyment of a vehicle.

That said I had my eyes on the F150 Lightning for a while but that looks like a 2023 at the earliest.

M4 + X5 30/40d

Or

M4 + 530d Touring

Solved

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

M4 + X5 30/40d

Or

M4 + 530d Touring

Solved

530d touring might do it

[pbar]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

The M3 discussion starts at 2:22:48
Synopsis:
Doug: G80 is the best. F80 was too big.

I note that logic and consistency aren't his strong points.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

The M3 discussion starts at 2:22:48

Synopsis:
Matt: E46 > E90 > E30 > F80 > E36 > G80
Doug: G80 is the best. E30 and E36 were underpowered. E46 and E92 were great cars but had big problems. F80 was too big. The next M3 won't have a stick and the one after that won't even have a gasoline engine. E90 and E46 are probably objectively the best buy but they have a lot of problems.

I think they’re all too different to really be compared strictly to each other… I think the two sets of most comparable are E36 & E46 and F80 & G80. I have to disagree with just about everyone of doug’s points except that G80 is probably the best handling car out of the box to date. I think all generations are perfectly powered for their chassis, none of them are really that backbreaking with proper maintenance and driving habits, and I don’t understand how F80 is too big yet G80 isn’t… sure you can jack up the steering ratio to give an impression of smaller size but the 3 series CLAR platform does feel visually and spatially bigger than the F chassis

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

time stamped to 2:22

Matt and Doug's takes on which M3 generation is the best.

Wish they had picked a better guest...

[swagon]

Yesterday marked the second time the 135i has let us down. Water pump a few months ago, now it was the fuel pump.

Not a bad score for a 2012 BMW, though.

Also, why is it that every 3 GT and 5 GT have their rear spoiler up when parked? Doesn't help with the ugliness.

[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Wish they had picked a better guest...

. Farah was giving DD the benefit of the doubt as he let Doug articulate his ///M comments for sure.

DD is the analytical type around features and gadgets but does not “drive” the cars like the ST guys.

Hilarious how they immediately agreed on the g80 looks - as they are completely different types of drivers.

[NickyC]

F80 is too big but the G80 is the best.

Ok…….

I’ve had all generations except for the E30 and I prefer the F8x series to all by a wide margin.

[GrussGott]

E9x was best for me, E46 was/is best looking & most desirable ... but that's probably because it was my first

[Arcades]

It feels like that video is just... a bit baity don't you think? lol

G80 is bigger by far, it only feels smaller because of the tech in the car.

[Peertwelve]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

E9x was best for me, E46 was/is best looking & most desirable ... but that's probably because it was my first

I like that you qualified "best". For me e30 is best looking, e36 is the best value, e46 has the best balance, e9x is best sounding, F8x has the best modern design, g8x has the best tech. They are all great wrt to contemporary rivals.

[Rondi]

Só, I’ve been reading this threadon and off, since there is nothing to do and nowhere to go with this virus crap going around

Im halfway through, and I have a question, are the bmw dealers stuck with this G8X, or are they selling ok?

[figure99]

Originally Posted by Rondi

Só, I’ve been reading this threadon and off, since there is nothing to do and nowhere to go with this virus crap going around

Im halfway through, and I have a question, are the bmw dealers stuck with this G8X, or are they selling ok?

Keep reading, you'll find plenty of opinions. I think the reality is nobody really knows for sure yet - but anecdotal evidence suggests it's region specific. For example sedanclan has reported seeing quite a few in CA, although his profession includes a fair amount of driving. I live near DC and have seen exactly three between DC and the NY area, and zero at my local cars and coffee. My local dealer had a black G82 M4 for months before finally selling it. Another local dealer apparently sold four within a short span over the summer according to my local detailer. One thing for sure is the bulk of current BMW enthusiasts I've talked to at cars and coffee and at car club meets hate the new design… can count the number that even tolerate it on one hand.