29k and My M4 needs new engine but... BMW refuses!

dzu · 12-28-2015, 02:03 PM

Hello guys, some time ago i wrote on a post of a guy (redfox) from bimmerpost regarding my ticking engine. He had the same ticking in the upper part of the engine that was resolved only with some lifters change.
Hoping i have the some problem, i scheduled my car at BMW on 23rd of Nov.
They removed some parts from the upper part of the engine, made some measures.
No real answer but some problems for sure!
They asked the dealer to run the car for 50km and change the oil filter 2 times. Both times they found small metal pieces in the oil filter.
They removed the lower part from the engine and found problems at the crankshaft lifters and at the connecting rod bearings.
They asked the dealer to control the crankshaft at a specialised service.
IMO, if my engine has problems at the cylinder head (upper part of the engine) and at the engine block (lower part of the engine), i REALLY need a new engine.
I think they try to give me only some parts that are broken.
I really disagree!
What should i do ? Do i have a chance to argue and win ? What arguments should i give ?
Do they have the right to repair a broken engine by parts ?
Thanks and sorry for my english!

mact3333 · 12-28-2015, 02:20 PM

1. do you have manual or DCT?...with DCT you can't do money shift.
2. if you have upper end damage it can be a money shift and BMW would prob try to blame you...and DME could see that anyway
3. if it has lower end damage from spun bearings(actual bearing or oil pump issues), then that implies an issue with the car and it most likely has nothing to do with you.
4. if it has upper end damage you might be in trouble, if its lower end, than BMW should admit it wasn't your fault assuming you did all the service it requires.

JMHO.

mact3333 · 12-28-2015, 02:21 PM

also read this thread as it prob relates to your problem also.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1207550

Rain49king · 12-28-2015, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzu

Hello guys, some time ago i wrote on a post of a guy (redfox) from bimmerpost regarding my ticking engine. He had the same ticking in the upper part of the engine that was resolved only with some lifters change.
Hoping i have the some problem, i scheduled my car at BMW on 23rd of Nov.
They removed some parts from the upper part of the engine, made some measures.
No real answer but some problems for sure!
They asked the dealer to run the car for 50km and change the oil filter 2 times. Both times they found small metal pieces in the oil filter.
They removed the lower part from the engine and found problems at the crankshaft lifters and at the connecting rod bearings.
They asked the dealer to control the crankshaft at a specialised service.
IMO, if my engine has problems at the cylinder head (upper part of the engine) and at the engine block (lower part of the engine), i REALLY need a new engine.
I think they try to give me only some parts that are broken.
I really disagree!
What should i do ? Do i have a chance to argue and win ? What arguments should i give ?
Do they have the right to repair a broken engine by parts ?
Thanks and sorry for my english!

The manufacture has a right to repair rather than replace. The warranty is there to fix your broken car but they get to decide how to fix it. Now if they cannot repair it in a timely manner or they fix it and it still has issues you may have recourse through "lemon law". Probably not what you wanna hear but maybe it will save you some aggravation because getting upset with the dealer will not change this. Hope its running great soon!

Deddie · 12-28-2015, 02:30 PM

Not sure Romania has the same lemon laws as the US.

Rain49king · 12-28-2015, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Deddie

Not sure Romania has the same lemon laws as the US.

LOL....probably not.

S65V8 · 12-28-2015, 03:53 PM

http://www.hg.org/law-firms/lemon-la...bucharest.html

It's time.

TTG · 12-28-2015, 09:44 PM

That's a lot of kms before the engine developed problems. Knowing how things work in Eastern Europe they will most likely blame you, unless you have "friends" up top who works for BMW in your country.

GL and keep us posted

dzu · 12-28-2015, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mact3333

1. do you have manual or DCT?...with DCT you can't do money shift.
2. if you have upper end damage it can be a money shift and BMW would prob try to blame you...and DME could see that anyway
3. if it has lower end damage from spun bearings(actual bearing or oil pump issues), then that implies an issue with the car and it most likely has nothing to do with you.
4. if it has upper end damage you might be in trouble, if its lower end, than BMW should admit it wasn't your fault assuming you did all the service it requires.

JMHO.

DCT
If they wanted to blame me, they would have blame me at the begining.

dzu · 12-28-2015, 11:11 PM

I know all the posts here.. IMO opinion this is a fabrication error regarding it has only 500 miles.
This is my knocking:

F83 · 12-28-2015, 11:12 PM

Shouldn't be possible to money shift.

Did you spank it before the break-in was complete? Probably shouldn't answer that but that's another thing they may try to pin on you. However if I'm not mistaken the black box would reveal the truth on that if so.

dzu · 12-28-2015, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F83

Shouldn't be possible to money shift.

Did you spank it before the break-in was complete? Probably shouldn't answer that but that's another thing they may try to pin on you. However if I'm not mistaken the black box would reveal the truth on that if so.

If they had any clue or evidence that the car was spanked in the break in period or tracked or spanked with cold engine i think this was the 1st thing to tell me.. But no! They removed the engine and dismantled it in pieces. Its clear that they are trying to repair it, correct?
It past more than 5 weeks since i sent the car to the dealer.

Vectors2final · 12-28-2015, 11:40 PM

29k into M4 and chill, and BMW gives this this look...

dzu · 01-10-2016, 08:10 AM

Hi
I searched everywhere but i can't find anything.
Wich is the maximum time limit BMW has, to keep a car for a repair? Is there any legal terms regarding the warranty?
7 weeks are gone and my M4 is still at the Dealer with my engine dismantled in pieces.
My M4 has problems at the upper part (headgasket) and must be replaced 100% and in the lower part all lifters and bearings must be replaced.
BMW refuses to give me a new engine..

mkoesel · 01-10-2016, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzu

Hi
I searched everywhere but i can't find anything.
Wich is the maximum time limit BMW has, to keep a car for a repair?

You're in Romania, no? You're asking a legal question and I don't suppose there are many Romanian legal experts around here.

Sorry to hear about you're ongoing trouble though. Good luck.

dzu · 01-10-2016, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzu

Hi
I searched everywhere but i can't find anything.
Wich is the maximum time limit BMW has, to keep a car for a repair?

You're in Romania, no? You're asking a legal question and I don't suppose there are many Romanian legal experts around here.

Sorry to hear about you're ongoing trouble though. Good luck.

I belive repairing an engine has the same time limit everywhere
BMW should have same rules for all dealers and countries

Art__Vandelay · 01-10-2016, 09:11 AM

Just out of interest, how did you drive your car in the break-in period (high revving, full throttle, warm up etc.)?

mkoesel · 01-10-2016, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzu

I belive repairing an engine has the same time limit everywhere
BMW should have same rules for all dealers and countries

You'll need to discuss that matter with the president/czar/grand-duke of planet Earth.

dzu · 01-10-2016, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croatian test driver

Just out of interest, how did you drive your car in the break-in period (high revving, full throttle, warm up etc.)?

I never been on a track, i drive it 20 miles / day , i keep it in warm garageits a DCT (moneyshift is excluded)
Its not my first M, i know what i have to do.
Be sure BMW searches for clients fault first of all

Art__Vandelay · 01-10-2016, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzu

I never been on a track, i drive it 20 miles / day , i keep it in warm garageits a DCT (moneyshift is excluded)
Its not my first M, i know what i have to do.
Be sure BMW searches for clients fault first of all

I was just wondering about the break-in period, if you had followed the requirements etc.

mkoesel · 01-10-2016, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzu

BMW refuses to give me a new engine.

Are you still in a dispute with BMW about this? If so, has the dispute been the cause for delays in starting repair work? Or did you, despite your reservations, authorize them to perform the repairs?

Quote:

7 weeks are gone and my M4 is still at the Dealer with my engine dismantled in pieces.

Have they begun work on the engine and attempted to perform the repairs that, according to them, will fix the issue? If so, have they run into difficulties? And if they have, what are those difficulties?

mact3333 · 01-10-2016, 11:29 AM

one thing I have noticed is this, whenever situations like this come up, talking to a lemon lawyer(yes I realize OP is in Romania) usually helps. If they draft a letter for you, I notice that the car company whether the local dealer or parent company, tends to move a lot faster and cater to your needs a lot better....jmho.

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dzu Private First Class 119 Rep 107 Posts Drives: BMW M4 F82 Austin Gelb DCT Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Romania iTrader: (0)	29k and My M4 needs new engine but... BMW refuses! Hello guys, some time ago i wrote on a post of a guy (redfox) from bimmerpost regarding my ticking engine. He had the same ticking in the upper part of the engine that was resolved only with some lifters change. Hoping i have the some problem, i scheduled my car at BMW on 23rd of Nov. They removed some parts from the upper part of the engine, made some measures. No real answer but some problems for sure! They asked the dealer to run the car for 50km and change the oil filter 2 times. Both times they found small metal pieces in the oil filter. They removed the lower part from the engine and found problems at the crankshaft lifters and at the connecting rod bearings. They asked the dealer to control the crankshaft at a specialised service. IMO, if my engine has problems at the cylinder head (upper part of the engine) and at the engine block (lower part of the engine), i REALLY need a new engine. I think they try to give me only some parts that are broken. I really disagree! What should i do ? Do i have a chance to argue and win ? What arguments should i give ? Do they have the right to repair a broken engine by parts ? Thanks and sorry for my english!
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mact3333 Captain 121 Rep 876 Posts Drives: 16' YMB/Blk F82 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Portland Area iTrader: (1)	1. do you have manual or DCT?...with DCT you can't do money shift. 2. if you have upper end damage it can be a money shift and BMW would prob try to blame you...and DME could see that anyway 3. if it has lower end damage from spun bearings(actual bearing or oil pump issues), then that implies an issue with the car and it most likely has nothing to do with you. 4. if it has upper end damage you might be in trouble, if its lower end, than BMW should admit it wasn't your fault assuming you did all the service it requires. JMHO. Last edited by mact3333; 12-28-2015 at 05:18 PM..
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dzu Private First Class 119 Rep 107 Posts Drives: BMW M4 F82 Austin Gelb DCT Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Romania iTrader: (0)	Hi I searched everywhere but i can't find anything. Wich is the maximum time limit BMW has, to keep a car for a repair? Is there any legal terms regarding the warranty? 7 weeks are gone and my M4 is still at the Dealer with my engine dismantled in pieces. My M4 has problems at the upper part (headgasket) and must be replaced 100% and in the lower part all lifters and bearings must be replaced. BMW refuses to give me a new engine..
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