'16 M3 6MT vs '15 Stingray 7MT 50-160 pulls

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by imyopusha

EXACTLY my thoughts. I find BMW owners (more specifically M car owners) more grassroots enthusiasts who race. Maybe it's a geographical perspective being in Germany, but this guy I know who owns a RR Ghost has an elitist attitude that would make an i8 owner feel like a hobo. He put a deposit on a Porsche 918 and literally forgot the model number (918). He just wanted to be the first in the region to own one.

I almost died reading this. hilarious. I read it to my wife and she didn't really laugh though.

I can picture that conversation and it's really funny to me, thanks for sharing!

[adc]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

The official Porsche answer is 3075 but I think it's really closer to 3,200 for US cars (mandatory sunroof 07/08 non RS) with some gas in the car. I thought the F80 was around 3,500 now. I think the 3075 number is for non US cars (without sunroof) and little to no fluids in the vehicle.

I think a manual transmission F80 is around 3540 if you stay light on options, and with the CF roof. But I've seen just over 3600 as well (DCT is an extra 35kg I believe).

I am surprised Porsche forced US customers to get a sunroof on a freakin GT3...

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

The official Porsche answer is 3075 but I think it's really closer to 3,200 for US cars (mandatory sunroof 07/08 non RS) with some gas in the car. I thought the F80 was around 3,500 now. I think the 3075 number is for non US cars (without sunroof) and little to no fluids in the vehicle.

Two owners have posted actual weights on the GT3 forum. They're both right at 3300#.

As soon as I get a chance I'll get my friends GT3 on my corner scales.

[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by turbo8765

Two owners have posted actual weights on the GT3 forum. They're both right at 3300#.

As soon as I get a chance I'll get my friends GT3 on my corner scales.

Interesting. Perhaps I'll get weighed when I'm out getting my smog done

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by adc

I think a manual transmission F80 is around 3540 if you stay light on options, and with the CF roof. But I've seen just over 3600 as well (DCT is an extra 35kg I believe).

I am surprised Porsche forced US customers to get a sunroof on a freakin GT3...

Yeah it's weird, only the US 07/08 GT3 non RS had a mandatory sunroof. Doesn't bother me though, I've never opened mine and I have plenty of head room with a helmet on and I'm average height (6'0").

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

Interesting. Perhaps I'll get weighed when I'm out getting my smog done

Please do and report back.

Do you have LWB? CCB? Extended range fuel tank?

I always weigh cars full of fuel.

[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by turbo8765

Please do and report back.

Do you have LWB? CCB? Extended range fuel tank?

I always weigh cars full of fuel.

Just ccb's

[adc]

I had the opportunity to do a few friendly runs with my friend's GT3, as well as drive it. Mostly 60/80 to 120. We were neck in neck, with the slight walking depending on who was caught up in the wrong gear, RPM etc.

I also drove the GT3 and although it blew my mind on many counts, acceleration wasn't one of them. Anything below 6k RPM was pretty weak, and above that sublime. It has a fairly narrow operating window which is why the PDK is so important, to keep it on the boil.

You guys can feel free to disagree with me, but I just couldn't hand it to the GT3. I was expecting to be walked consistently and it didn't quite happen. My car is stock 6 sp manual.

[imyopusha]

Originally Posted by adc

You guys can feel free to disagree with me, but I just couldn't hand it to the GT3. I was expecting to be walked consistently and it didn't quite happen. My car is stock 6 sp manual.

I would like to see a race between DCT and 6MT from 60-150... F80 on F80.

[///Mpossible]

Originally Posted by adc

I had the opportunity to do a few friendly runs with my friend's GT3, as well as drive it. Mostly 60/80 to 120. We were neck in neck, with the slight walking depending on who was caught up in the wrong gear, RPM etc.

I also drove the GT3 and although it blew my mind on many counts, acceleration wasn't one of them. Anything below 6k RPM was pretty weak, and above that sublime. It has a fairly narrow operating window which is why the PDK is so important, to keep it on the boil.

You guys can feel free to disagree with me, but I just couldn't hand it to the GT3. I was expecting to be walked consistently and it didn't quite happen. My car is stock 6 sp manual.

That's very surprising to say the least considering a GT3 is a low 11s@126-127mph car(basicly as fast as the fastest modded stock turbo F8x), it should'nt be close in accelaration with a stock F8x, much less a manual one. Wonder if it could be a question of VERY low D/A or maybe your friend simply was'nt in the right gear.

Here's what a GT3 do against a ~700hp modded M5 which is a MUCH MUCH MUCH(did I say MUCH ) faster car then your stock manual M3:

[trey100]

Originally Posted by ///Mpossible

That's very surprising to say the least considering a GT3 is a low 11s@126-127mph car(basicly as fast as the fastest modded stock turbo F8x), it should'nt be close in accelaration with a stock F8x, much less a manual one. Wonder if it could be a question of VERY low D/A or maybe your friend simply was'nt in the right gear.

Here's what a GT3 do against a ~700hp modded M5 which is a MUCH MUCH MUCH(did I say MUCH ) faster car then your stock manual M3:

Perhaps it wasn't a 991 GT3.

[Vic55]

Its a GT3- they used that car for a few races- taillights and front end define.

Here is the same vs the AMG GTS

[///Mpossible]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Its a GT3- they used that car for a few races- taillights and front end define.

Here is the same vs the AMG GTS

I think he meant that the car adc raced against was'nt a GT3, which would explain why a low 12s@~116mph stock manual F8x was able to hang with.

Thanks for sharing anyway, these vids are always fun to watch!

[adc]

Originally Posted by ///Mpossible

I think he meant that the car adc raced against was'nt a GT3, which would explain why a low 12s@~116mph stock manual F8x was able to hang with.

Thanks for sharing anyway, these vids are always fun to watch!

My friend's is definitely a GT3. There is no doubt whatsoever about it. I'm just reporting it like it happened, and don't see the need to speculate really. Street races can go any number of ways. Shoulda woulda coulda don't really count.

[///Mpossible]

Originally Posted by adc

My friend's is definitely a GT3. There is no doubt whatsoever about it. I'm just reporting it like it happened, and don't see the need to speculate really. Street races can go any number of ways. Shoulda woulda coulda don't really count.

Oh no doupt that the car you raced was a GT3, you even drove it so you should know. I was really leaning toward the other two hypotisus.

Not saying it did'nt happen the way you say either, just wanted to point that a GT3 is a much faster car then even an M5/M6 so it should'nt lose against a manual M4. Just thought it was important to get this fact straight for those who could be influenced by your story when making a purchase descision.

[adc]

Originally Posted by ///Mpossible

Not saying it did'nt happen the way you say either, just wanted to point that a GT3 is a much faster car then even an M5/M6 so it should'nt lose against a manual M4. Just thought it was important to get this fact straight for those who could be influenced by your story when making a purchase descision.

The interesting thing is that instead of souring me to the M3, the experience left me satisfied with the righteousness of my purchase. My car was $61k with the ED discount, so for me a GT3 at twice the price makes absolutely no sense. A GT3 is just a 3rd or 4th car, a pure track toy. But if I were to get a track toy, wouldn't an Atom or Caterham be actually more fun? I don't know, and in any case I'm not currently in a financial position to find out.

So I'll continue to enjoy the M, on and off the track, without any regrets.

[TheRealOrosie]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

Steve Sanders drove a vette and he was only 17 or 18. Anyone remember what his vanity plate said?

[paliknight]

I have nothing against american cars, but I am not a fan of the cheap feeling interior. Performance is great for the price, but they have to sacrifice something in return, which is understandable. But having a high performing car in the 500hp range with top quality interior and exterior parts for under 70k is not feasible without losing money.

Since I drive my car daily, and rarely track or even go over 85mph, I believe its more practical to have a car that finds moderation in between performance and luxury.

[csbear]

Originally Posted by trey100

Sorry guys. The corvette is a great car but the interior materials still need work. Then again the interior of their luxury cars aren't up to par so it's not surprising that the Corvette is he way it is.

Agree. There are reasons the Corvette is a bargain (which is a good thing). The interior is one of those reasons.

[adc]

Originally Posted by paliknight

Since I drive my car daily, and rarely track or even go over 85mph, I believe its more practical to have a car that finds moderation in between performance and luxury.

So why get an M4 when any regular 3, 4, or 5 series would do better at your tasks? The M is already compromised for performance, and it is definitely made to go over 85mph and on track.

Just curious.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by adc

So why get an M4 when any regular 3, 4, or 5 series would do better at your tasks? The M is already compromised for performance, and it is definitely made to go over 85mph and on track.

Just curious.

cause its much sexier

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by paliknight

cause its much sexier

the body parts, and wider rims is the business.