-SCANS- Car UK M4 VS C63 AMG

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Lag!

Nope. Car makes full boost at 3200rpm. You'd almost never notice the lag, considering the amount of torque the engine makes, even before full boost. If you were driving the car competitively, you'd never ever see RPMs that low.

Now a 1000+awhp Evo would have terrible lag, but the torque curve is shifted towards higher RPMs and are built with this in mind. These engines are usually rev limited well over 9000rpm.

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I have to tell you this engine loves to rev, and pulls all the way to 7.6k redline.

I have no qualms with this engine except, yeah, it does not sound like the 6.2 amg I had. But really, I would be disappointed in the sound even if I was driving a GT3. The v8 sounds great, that's it.

I know, I also own an M4.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

Nope. Car makes full boost at 3200rpm. You'd almost never notice the lag, considering the amount of torque the engine makes, even before full boost. If you were driving the car competitively, you'd never ever see RPMs that low.

Now a 1000+awhp Evo would have terrible lag, but the torque curve is shifted towards higher RPMs and are built with this in mind. These engines are usually rev limited well over 9000rpm.

You're confusing boost threshold and turbo lag here

[bm323]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

Im going to stick with my statement because so far in reviews (non head to head) US editors are favoring the C63S.

I can't fanboy with Mercedes yet because I haven't owned one yet

Originally Posted by amanuuh

24 and I was about to buy my first M. Ive been wanting one for a while. I own my own business now and make enough money to get one. I went with the C63S though. If i were you id AT LEASt wait until your annual income is higher than the car costs lol

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1097416&page=2

You're getting the C63S I presume?

[KevinM]

Thanks for posting. Seems like a fair article. From the description of the cars, I'd definitely take the F80. Of course since I'm determined to buy what probably will be my last new MT car (not by choice), I suppose reviews do not matter.

Competition is a good thing. Mercedes and Audi have really upped their game over the past decade.

[Vinsanity12]

I think we are going to see reviews pretty split. If that is the case it means that AMG has made up a lot of ground. Personally I think this is good for everyone. Pushes M to step it up another notch for the next model.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

I know, I also own an M4.

sorry i meant i agree with you.

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You're confusing boost threshold and turbo lag here

Eh? What are you talking about? I'm not confusing anything.

Moving on now.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

For me, the styling of the merc doesn't jive well inside or out. Too much roundness, too much chrome, too much going on. Just my taste.

I like the simpler interior in the Bmw, which is as expensive looking as I need an interior to be.

One place the merc wins for me is the performance seats. I hate that Bmw doesn't offer a true performance seat as an option.

Other than that, I really like the engine in the merc. The rest is a let down to me personally in terms of aesthetics and overall nature of the car. That's more a function of personal taste than anything else

They have a "night package" or something like that that changes all that exterior chrome to black gloss! except for the rear strip above the license plate. Car looks MUCH better with that package (can build it on foreign sites, like UK)

[amanuuh]

Originally Posted by bm323

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...amp;amp;page=2" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://f80.bimmerpos...amp;page=2</a>

You're getting the C63S I presume?

Yup. I'm so excited. First car in the performance category. My last car with FBO had 420hp to the crank (stupid n55) the new car starts out with 470 to the wheels. I've been waiting since July for this moment. My car is expected to end production mid April. I should have it by the end of April.

[csbear]

Originally Posted by Mako

They have a "night package" or something like that that changes all that exterior chrome to black gloss! except for the rear strip above the license plate. Car looks MUCH better with that package (can build it on foreign sites, like UK)

Yup.. White especially looks really nice with the night package.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Vinsanity12

I think we are going to see reviews pretty split. If that is the case it means that AMG has made up a lot of ground. Personally I think this is good for everyone. Pushes M to step it up another notch for the next model.

Just curious how?

They make it more hardcore, people will complain.

They make it a better DD, people will complain.

They throw in an NA V8, people will complain.

They throw in another turbo 6, people will complain.

People have their preferences for cars and that's that... the C63 to me while competitively placed in the market vs an F80, looks for a different customer.

There is no end to this.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

Eh? What are you talking about? I'm not confusing anything.

Moving on now.

You apparently are.

Boost threshold is the engine speed at which there is sufficient exhaust gas flow to generate positive manifold pressure, or boost.

Turbo lag is the time delay of boost response after the throttle is opened when operating above the boost threshold engine speed.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

Yup. I'm so excited. First car in the performance category. My last car with FBO had 420hp to the crank (stupid n55) the new car starts out with 470 to the wheels. I've been waiting since July for this moment. My car is expected to end production mid April. I should have it by the end of April.

wow, I thought there cars were not being delivered til later than that!

you do not have the pricing though?

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

Yup. I'm so excited. First car in the performance category. My last car with FBO had 420hp to the crank (stupid n55) the new car starts out with 470 to the wheels. I've been waiting since July for this moment. My car is expected to end production mid April. I should have it by the end of April.

Your production ends in 3.5 weeks and you still don't have pricing? Ok then.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

If your production ends in 3.5 weeks and you still don't have pricing? Ok then.

Wait whaaaaa???

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You apparently are.

Boost threshold is the engine speed at which there is sufficient exhaust gas flow to generate positive manifold pressure, or boost.

Turbo lag is the time delay of boost response after the throttle is opened when operating above the boost threshold engine speed.

There is no confusion. What you're referring to is the sum of endless possibilities between displacement and turbo size/design. I can build positive boost pressure at idle with a small enough turbo on a 1.0L.

Your attempt to call me out with a straw man is hair-splitting at best and irrelevant to this discussion.

Like I said, moving along now.

[/// M sa]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

Your production ends in 3.5 weeks and you still don't have pricing? Ok then.

how do you build a car and don't get pricing? WTF

[amanuuh]

Originally Posted by /// M sa

how do you build a car and don't get pricing? WTF

You just do haha.

I know the prices to all my options. I just didn't know the price to the car. I mean it's going to between 7k-10k different than the regular C63 which is supposed to start 62-63.
My deposit is refundable. Either way the S has a lot of standard options so I only got 4 things added on. It should come out to less than 80. #yolo

[minn19]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

You just do haha.

I know the prices to all my options. I just didn't know the price to the car. I mean it's going to between 7k-10k different than the regular C63 which is supposed to start 62-63.
My deposit is refundable. Either way the S has a lot of standard options so I only got 4 things added on. It should come out to less than 80. #yolo

What are you gonna do if they hit you with a 10k + above MSRP market adjustment?

[amanuuh]

Originally Posted by minn19

What are you gonna do if they hit you with a 10k + above MSRP market adjustment?

Dealer I'm working with never marks up their cars and its on the deposit agreement.

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

Dealer I'm working with never marks up their cars and its on the deposit agreement.

What's on the deposit agreement? "We promise to not mark the car up from the MSRP we don't even know yet. Oh and by the way, your car will be here in a month."

Why would a dealer do that for a brand new car that will likely get a lot of attention for a guy who's never bought a car in this segment before?

BS all over this story.