M4 vs 911 base (991.2)

[Xtabi]

I'd like to register a vote for the Porsche.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

dgp

Only time will tell, biggest issue the M4s pre CP traction issues... Which that most likely has been fixed, but again we need data and reviews of the CP.

If you look at most tracks base M4 was quicker than base 911.1 (including the ring), perhaps 911.2 is quicker than 911.1 but hard to say whether it closed the gap.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by dgp

If you look at most tracks base M4 was quicker than base 911.1 (including the ring), perhaps 911.2 is quicker than 911.1 but hard to say whether it closed the gap.

991.2 is a lot quicker than the anemic 991.1.

[FIS65]

Originally Posted by dgp

Yeah, i bet comp package is quicker than base 911.2.

Admittedly closer, but quicker, I would'nt put money on that!

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

991.2 is a lot quicker than the anemic 991.1.

How much quicker at the ring?

[MPerformance211]

Like others have said, if you need the back seats/utility get the M. Otherwise, get the 911.

[Bimmer6]

Is the ring a true indicator for the average driver? If the car will not spend the majority of time on the track how important are a few 10th's of a second? Buy what will give you the best enjoyment because you will have to live with it, and you will be happy with your choice. Good luck. I sold my 991S last generation, and I can tell you with less HP's it's a better driver than the M4 due to the suspension/handling set up. I had to learn to like the M4 unlike the Porsche, but the M4 for me is a good daily driver. Going forward I will do my best to keep a NA car much better feel than turbos for me personally.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

991.2 is a lot quicker than the anemic 991.1.

Yes, 991.2 base is much faster. As fast or faster than the outgoing S after driving it and the new S vs my 991S.
I think being within .5 of the GTR with close to 200 hp less and the almost 1.2 second gap better than the m4 with 50 less hp is a pretty good indicator of what it can do on a circuit.

[sashaa]

BMW for daily car.
Porsche for weekend.
If you don't need back seats, and you can afford, go with Porsche.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

991.2 is a lot quicker than the anemic 991.1.

Different power delivery. 991.1 isn't anemic. You have a N/A v a Turbo.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

Different power delivery. 991.1 isn't anemic. You have a N/A v a Turbo.

Doesn't change the fact the base 991.1 is a lot slower, the base 991.2 simply out guns it.

For the record I prefer na, just not the 3.4L in the 991.1.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Doesn't change the fact the base 991.1 is a lot slower, the base 991.2 simply out guns it.

For the record I prefer na, just not the 3.4L in the 991.1.

It should be. It's an out-going model but hardly anemic. I had a 3.4 and it opened up quite nicely.

[JDC PDX]

There is no substitute.

[TAL2GK]

I'm going through this exact mental exercise. Only I'm comparing cabrios.

I'd like to be able to take my wife and <1yo son on weekend trips, which I thought meant C2S was eliminated, but P sales is (of course) trying to convince me otherwise. 991.2 is certainly more practical than 997, but not sure if I could legitimately make it a family weekend getaway car.

[drivethemachine]

FWIW I have a friend with a 991 turbo S coupe, and 2 kids (5 and 7 yo). He's perfectly happy with the rear space he has. With a convertible, you have the advantage of dropping down the roof for easy access.

Just to refresh my original dilemma (being OP), I think I'm going to -try to- wait another year and see what the M4 LCI can do. My heart is with BMW, my head is with Porsche.

[attila]

Go with the GTS! I regularly put my 9yo in the back with my 15yo in front for about 15min drive. (school to home) They are OK with it. The GTS is my DD car so I do grocery etc with it.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by dgp

Was that base m4 time or m4 competition package?

Silver M4 badge on the rear deck lid is an indication

That is from a rather old article. Non-CP M4 it is.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1220706

[blschaefer1]

I currently have a 2014 991.1 Carrera S Coupe coming off lease in November. I picked up a new 2016 M4 last weekend on a smoking deal to replace it. So I will have both for the next four-five months. Prior to the 991.1, I had a 981 Cayman S, so have that perspective as well related to P-cars. None of these are/have been my pure daily drivers.

The 991.1 S is indeed an amazing car. As a pure sports car it is clearly superior to the M4. As well it should be - it is designed from the ground up to be just that - a pure sports car - versus an adapted coupe built on a platform that accommodates a sedan (3 Series). But the 911 platform and Porsche in general, has a list of annoyances that I decided I did not want to deal with anymore.

Here is a short list of my initial impressions:

Utility- I have taken golf back up, hitting the course two-three times per week. Sounds silly - but getting clubs in/out of the 991 is a pain. Taking drivers and woods out of the bag, wresting the clubs into the folded back seats. I found myself not taking the 911 to the course just to avoid the hassle. Trunk in M4 makes for a pleasant drive to the course. Back seat is actually usable in a pinch in the M4 for adults, too.

Ride Quality - My 991 has S-PASM with the SportDesign front fascia - looks cool but rides very low, and need to be VERY careful with navigating driveways, etc. to avoid scraping. Also, the ride in the 991.1 is stiffer than the M4 even with both set to the softest setting. Low ride height makes ingress/egress a little tougher too in the 991.1.

Rattles - too early to judge this relative to the M4, but my 991.1, and the 981 Cayman, have a variety of interior rattles that seem to move around and never get resolved. My 981 Cayman S was a disaster in this department - to the dealer several times to chase rattles in the rear hatch and never a complete resolution. So far, the M4 is tight and completely rattle free.

Technology - not a huge iDrive fan, but it is still better than the PCM Porsche has in my opinion. My M4 has the drivers assistance package - I like the side view and top view cameras. HK audio is better than the base Bose audio in the P cars. The Burmester upgrade is absurdly expensive in the P Cars.

Sound - 991 clearly superior. My 991 has PSE, and it sounds amazing both inside and outside of the car. The P-car purists are up in arms over the sound of the 991.2, but I think Porsche likely did a good job here. M4 sounds artificial, because, well, it is.

Power - apples and oranges. I must say I find the torque of the M4 intoxicating. It's not yet fully broken in so I have not had the opportunity to take it to redline though. NA Porsche power deliver is linear until about 5k, then a rush to the top which is spine tingling. Around town, torque on the M4 makes squirting through traffic a breeze, whereas the 991 needs frequent downshifts.

DCT vs PDK - Porsche nailed the PDK. It is simply amazing. I've had two prior BMW's with DCT, and while the M-DCT in the M4 is much better, the PDK is another league. Smoother at takeoff, feel more connected somehow, downshifts are always seeming at the perfect time.

Cost - Porsches are terribly expensive to buy and also maintain. The sticker on my 991.1 was $128k, my highly optioned M4 was $79k. That's a huge differential (+60% more). It better have some big checks in the plus column for that difference. M cars lease more aggressively that Porsche also - money factors, residuals more attractive with BMW. Oil changes - $300, mileage milestone services are all north of $2,000, brakes, who knows. I realize the '17 BMW's are a bit weaker here, but still more a fixed cost versus Porsche.

Bottom line - I am very happy with my decision. At the end of the day, the P-car is a more of a special occasion driver, whereas the M4 will get much more use. In a perfect world I would keep both, but the Porsche is leaving the stable soon.

Hope this is useful feedback.

[Golfster]

^^ Salient criteria and very well stated.

[MPerformance211]

Originally Posted by TAL2GK

I'm going through this exact mental exercise. Only I'm comparing cabrios.

I'd like to be able to take my wife and <1yo son on weekend trips, which I thought meant C2S was eliminated, but P sales is (of course) trying to convince me otherwise. 991.2 is certainly more practical than 997, but not sure if I could legitimately make it a family weekend getaway car.

I'm kind of going through the same process in my head as well. Just got a Tundra 1794 Crewmax company truck and now I drive the M4 one day a week to work and on the weekends. I have said it many times that I don't personally find the M3/M4 to be an ideal weekend type car. Wifey loves the 981 BS and I may just sell the M4 and grab a slightly used one. Loved my 987 CaymanS. We have no children...just a dog who rides in the truck.

[drivethemachine]

Originally Posted by blschaefer1

I currently have a 2014 991.1 Carrera S Coupe coming off lease in November. I picked up a new 2016 M4 last weekend on a smoking deal to replace it. So I will have both for the next four-five months. Prior to the 991.1, I had a 981 Cayman S, so have that perspective as well related to P-cars. None of these are/have been my pure daily drivers.

Thanks for your writeup! Very good information in there.

[michael3435]

Originally Posted by blschaefer1

I currently have a 2014 991.1 Carrera S Coupe coming off lease in November. I picked up a new 2016 M4 last weekend on a smoking deal to replace it. So I will have both for the next four-five months. Prior to the 991.1, I had a 981 Cayman S, so have that perspective as well related to P-cars. None of these are/have been my pure daily drivers.

The 991.1 S is indeed an amazing car. As a pure sports car it is clearly superior to the M4. As well it should be - it is designed from the ground up to be just that - a pure sports car - versus an adapted coupe built on a platform that accommodates a sedan (3 Series). But the 911 platform and Porsche in general, has a list of annoyances that I decided I did not want to deal with anymore.

Here is a short list of my initial impressions:

Utility- I have taken golf back up, hitting the course two-three times per week. Sounds silly - but getting clubs in/out of the 991 is a pain. Taking drivers and woods out of the bag, wresting the clubs into the folded back seats. I found myself not taking the 911 to the course just to avoid the hassle. Trunk in M4 makes for a pleasant drive to the course. Back seat is actually usable in a pinch in the M4 for adults, too.

Ride Quality - My 991 has S-PASM with the SportDesign front fascia - looks cool but rides very low, and need to be VERY careful with navigating driveways, etc. to avoid scraping. Also, the ride in the 991.1 is stiffer than the M4 even with both set to the softest setting. Low ride height makes ingress/egress a little tougher too in the 991.1.

Rattles - too early to judge this relative to the M4, but my 991.1, and the 981 Cayman, have a variety of interior rattles that seem to move around and never get resolved. My 981 Cayman S was a disaster in this department - to the dealer several times to chase rattles in the rear hatch and never a complete resolution. So far, the M4 is tight and completely rattle free.

Technology - not a huge iDrive fan, but it is still better than the PCM Porsche has in my opinion. My M4 has the drivers assistance package - I like the side view and top view cameras. HK audio is better than the base Bose audio in the P cars. The Burmester upgrade is absurdly expensive in the P Cars.

Sound - 991 clearly superior. My 991 has PSE, and it sounds amazing both inside and outside of the car. The P-car purists are up in arms over the sound of the 991.2, but I think Porsche likely did a good job here. M4 sounds artificial, because, well, it is.

Power - apples and oranges. I must say I find the torque of the M4 intoxicating. It's not yet fully broken in so I have not had the opportunity to take it to redline though. NA Porsche power deliver is linear until about 5k, then a rush to the top which is spine tingling. Around town, torque on the M4 makes squirting through traffic a breeze, whereas the 991 needs frequent downshifts.

DCT vs PDK - Porsche nailed the PDK. It is simply amazing. I've had two prior BMW's with DCT, and while the M-DCT in the M4 is much better, the PDK is another league. Smoother at takeoff, feel more connected somehow, downshifts are always seeming at the perfect time.

Cost - Porsches are terribly expensive to buy and also maintain. The sticker on my 991.1 was $128k, my highly optioned M4 was $79k. That's a huge differential (+60% more). It better have some big checks in the plus column for that difference. M cars lease more aggressively that Porsche also - money factors, residuals more attractive with BMW. Oil changes - $300, mileage milestone services are all north of $2,000, brakes, who knows. I realize the '17 BMW's are a bit weaker here, but still more a fixed cost versus Porsche.

Bottom line - I am very happy with my decision. At the end of the day, the P-car is a more of a special occasion driver, whereas the M4 will get much more use. In a perfect world I would keep both, but the Porsche is leaving the sable soon.

Hope this is useful feedback.

how does the cayman s compare with the above criteria? thanks and great comparison