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      02-11-2019, 01:29 PM   #23
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To me the m3 base/zcp will always win out against everything else because of the manual. And you can just throw a tune on the base car to replicate a CS EDC and GTS steering feel / diff settings.
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Owner Swap Review: F80 M3 ZCP Competition vs Giulia Quadrifoglio

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To me the m3 base/zcp will always win out against everything else because of the manual. And you can just throw a tune on the base car to replicate a CS EDC and GTS steering feel / diff settings.
Sorry but that's BS. I love how people claim they can "throw a tune" at a car and make it perform as good or similar to a top spec car. If that was the case everyone would buy the base and save 20-30k.

Regarding the review I think its an excellent idea. Two knowledgeable car enthusiast guys driving each other's car with a neutral party in the back seat having a candid discussion about what they like and dislike about each car. I give it a thumbs up but would have liked to see them both driven on a track or least a more challenging road and talk about those differences . Also, being a CS owner I would have selfishly liked to have seen a comparison of the M3 CS against the Quad.

One thing that stuck out to me was the comments by all 3 about the M3 being such a harsh ride. That has not been my experience at all in my M3CS. Comfort mode is quite comfortable. Makes me wonder how much different the springs/settings/chassis tuning are in the CS compared to the M3 Comp
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I envy people who had a choice between Alfa and f80. I hope next m3 will have what Alfa did.
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      02-11-2019, 06:51 PM   #28
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To me the m3 base/zcp will always win out against everything else because of the manual. And you can just throw a tune on the base car to replicate a CS EDC and GTS steering feel / diff settings.
Sorry but that's BS. I love how people claim they can "throw a tune" at a car and make it perform as good or similar to a top spec car. If that was the case everyone would buy the base and save 20-30k.

Regarding the review I think its an excellent idea. Two knowledgeable car enthusiast guys driving each other's car with a neutral party in the back seat having a candid discussion about what they like and dislike about each car. I give it a thumbs up but would have liked to see them both driven on a track or least a more challenging road and talk about those differences . Also, being a CS owner I would have selfishly liked to have seen a comparison of the M3 CS against the Quad.

One thing that stuck out to me was the comments by all 3 about the M3 being such a harsh ride. That has not been my experience at all in my M3CS. Comfort mode is quite comfortable. Makes me wonder how much different the springs/settings/chassis tuning are in the CS compared to the M3 Comp
I threw a tune (bm3), jrz coilovers, and exhaust. my 15 non zcp drives pretty good. just saying.....
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Agree, with JRZ coilovers along with different software Im sure it's better than just "pretty good". And probably took out the harsh ride those guys were complaining about as well.
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Well done review. I have done the same comparison for myself and agree with 90% of what they say. Way more truthful review vs the standard journalist job where they give u cheese feedback after 2 hours in the car and paycheck from the factory.
I think if I was car shopping today, I would pick Alfa over regular m3, but I didn't. The things I did not like about Alfa were smaller back seats, lack of drivers profile settings, basic I-drive system, and unknown reliability and depreciation. These made me reconsider my desire to trade m3 for Alfa. However there were quite some things I liked in Alfa over m3. Still I couldn't go for the trade given that at the end both cars are not perfect and very similar. So I decided I wait and go for Porsche later on...

Now, one thing I wanted to mention is that I recently fell back in love with my f80. All I did was to install M Performance exhaust. Everyone who is not happy with sound, get MPE and your case will be closed. Man, I am pissed at BMW for not including it into basic build or at least offering it at 1-2k option, like Porsche does...

Anyway, get MPE and BMW M3 is the UDM again.
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bimmer leases for $1200...umm no!
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bimmer leases for $1200...umm no!
I’m paying 899 for my cs only tax and fees upfront for 24 months!
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I feel like the cs fixes everything wrong with the f80. And before my comp f80 felt harsh over bumps and was really not a great dd. the cs is a very comfortable drive and is really the zero compromise sports sedan!
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Although from a purist point of view rear drive is more fun and engaging, when you have about 500 HP
Or more AWD begins to have an an advantage in overall handling. It is simply physics. All that power using twice as many wheels to maintain grip on the road. IMHO a decided advantage . The next gen M3 and M4 will likely have an AWD option and it will be faster than its 2 WD brethren. For example, the current M240 is nearly as quick as the M2 even though M2 has more HP . All about the more efficient delivery of power to the ground. I used to have a 1996 GT Mustang , it was great loved it. Mods - intake exhaust suspension and breaks. However in the wet it got a little hairy
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I’m paying 899 for my cs only tax and fees upfront for 24 months!
My M4 was $2500 drive off (before BMWCCA $500 rebate), $846/mo incl tax, 15k mi, 3 years. It doesn't have ZCP, but has enough options that it could well have had ZCP as that has no impact on residual/MF. I looked at the Alfa but when I got my car I couldn't get anywhere close to my deal on an Alfa. It's easy at 7500-10k miles, but getting the deal at 15k miles is harder.
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I'm paying 899 for my cs only tax and fees upfront for 24 months!
My M4 was $2500 drive off (before BMWCCA $500 rebate), $846/mo incl tax, 15k mi, 3 years. It doesn't have ZCP, but has enough options that it could well have had ZCP as that has no impact on residual/MF. I looked at the Alfa but when I got my car I couldn't get anywhere close to my deal on an Alfa. It's easy at 7500-10k miles, but getting the deal at 15k miles is harder.
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I'm paying 899 for my cs only tax and fees upfront for 24 months!


I'm going back and forth with an Alfa dealer now and the best lease numbers I have been able to get out of them are $988 a month for 36 months and 10k miles with zero down. Not horrible by any means, but still doesn't touch the deal on my M3.
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eh, not sure about being more fun than the c63s. Have you driven one? the f80 in manual for sure is more fun but the dct is so much less engaging. If going auto/dct I actually have more fun in the amg than my f80. v8 twin turbo and the ease of being able to control a sideways spin, the exhaust note. yummy.


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Good comparison. Though in the same class and similar on paper, they go about their work very differently. At the end of the day, you can't go wrong either way. Having owned both, it all comes down to personal preference. One thing is for sure though, they are both more fun than the C63s and RS5.
My best friend has a c63s and i personally own a f80 zcp dct. The c63 is a great car but have to agree that the m3 does everything so much better, so much more direct and much more feedback. Went to track event and drove it it feels too easy. The m3 is such a more involved drive. Still remains the c63 is a great car but i believe f80 m3 is more complete as a driver oriented car. Concerning sound, other than the downshift backfires, my f80 with mpe i find sounds worlds better.
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Bit lengthy but different.

Enjoy!

Part I - Giulia Quadrifoglio



Part II - F80 M3 ZCP

Can't get enough of that Alpha look! Pretty darn good car to compete against. M3/ M4 and C63AMG have a good challenge
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I have just as much traction in the winter months with 285/30 PA4s. PSS are no good below 50*.
Agreed. Actually had much better traction on my M3 with snowtires in the cold than on a 65 degree day with the PSS...and even just pulling out of my driveway, it was very noticeable.
How do you pull out of your driveway? lol.

All joking aside, pretty much all performance tires need to get some heat in them before you go anywhere above 7/10's. Snows will get lots of traction in 65 degree weather if they're the same size.
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How do you pull out of your driveway? lol.

All joking aside, pretty much all performance tires need to get some heat in them before you go anywhere above 7/10's. Snows will get lots of traction in 65 degree weather if they're the same size.
Re-read my comment. You misunderstood my point. It was about one car being better at putting the power to the ground.

I used the snow tire example just to level the playing field to offset the "but the Alfa has R-Compound tires" excuse from M3 loyalists. BTW...I was not referring to using the snow tires in 65 degree weather. Sorry if it was not that clear to you.

To your point, even on a hot day with warmed up tires, the Alfa is more sure-footed, but again, the more defensive M folks will cry that it is only because of the Corsa R tires, completely missing that there is a meaningful difference in the rear diffs. One car's is just more effective than the other's.

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How do you pull out of your driveway? lol.

All joking aside, pretty much all performance tires need to get some heat in them before you go anywhere above 7/10's. Snows will get lots of traction in 65 degree weather if they're the same size.
Re-read my comment. You misunderstood my point. It was about one car being better at putting the power to the ground.

I used the snow tire example just to level the playing field to offset the "but the Alfa has R-Compound tires" excuse from M3 loyalists. BTW...I was not referring to using the snow tires in 65 degree weather. Sorry if it was not that clear to you.

To your point, even on a hot day with warmed up tires, the Alfa is more sure-footed, but again, the more defensive M folks will cry that it is only because of the Corsa R tires, completely missing that there is a meaningful difference in the rear diffs. One car's is just more effective than the other's.
Oh my bad. I get what you're saying now that you clarified. I can't say personally but I wouldn't doubt it.
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I feel like the cs fixes everything wrong with the f80. And before my comp f80 felt harsh over bumps and was really not a great dd. the cs is a very comfortable drive and is really the zero compromise sports sedan!
The harsh ride is literally the only think I would change about my ZCP..... There is nothing else to fix. I agree that it can be pretty brutal.

If the CS removes the harshness then that's a win, but don't make I sound like the ZCP has "lots" wrong. That's nonsense. I bet just a switch to PS4S' removes considerable harshness.
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