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I been saying I feel older now that I don't mind Audi styling as much unlike before. Hell, I even gotten used to seeing those damn Lexus running around. I don't mind driving SUVs actually because after having a lowered car, it's almost heaven in able to just fucking drive over everything instead of SLOWWLY angling into everything. >.>
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Yeah, it is 100% ridiculous. ....which, of course, only makes me want it that much more Our E350 has been great for that. Has more than enough power to get us around with our gear at whatever speed I need to go. Frankly, unless you do serious tracking, nothing in the M / AMG / RS class is really necessary (or able to be fully tapped in any civilian scenario) but...I guess that is why most of us chumps spend our bucks on these cars. The illusion (delusion?) that, if I really ever needed to go 225 kph, I could. easily. Quote:
Proving my 100% absolute hypocrisy when compared to the reply I made just above to Nicknaz, one of the reasons I dislike SUVs is because there is a 0% chance that 99% of SUV owners actually use them for any of the offroading capabilities they are built/marketed to have. Nobody is fording any G.D. streams on their way into the office from suburban Atlanta..... so the only real advantage they have is cargo capacity which, in most cases, a good wagon will meet/exceed. Plus the SUVs drive like poop so, again, i'll take a wagon every time. ....I know i'm in the minority there...a passionate minority (as the Audi decision to bring the RS6 Avant over here shows) but definitely a minority. Quote:
I wonder, though, if GM did too much damage to the Pontiac brand? By the end, Pontiacs and Chevys were literally just rebadged versions of the same cars with Pontiacs being *mildly* more interesting to look at but often somehow feeling just a little cheaper too.... I actually think to do it GM would need a whole new performance/premium brand. After 70 years, all their other brands are too entrenched. Saturn was a go at a new brand - and it almost worked (a few of the cars, especially at the end, were more interesting to look at) but it still suffered from a general view of "GM cheapness". To do it right, GM would have to make the cars not cheap. No plasticky parts, no 'good enough' compromises. But make them seriously high end. If that means they cost pretty much what the germans cost, so be it. But, as I said before, low prices usually suggest (to consumers) a compromise on quality. And if you want to establish a premium brand, cheap isn't how to do it. (good examples of car companies doing this right are Toyota/Lexus and even Hyundai/Gensisis. I can't stand Lexi or Genises (to invent new ways of pluralizing them....) but I concede that nobody is going to think either of those is anything other than a premium brand now - and they did it building OFF existing brands and by not compromising on quality and, if they had to, charging for it) The problem with the Detroit Troika is they still want to try to make their premium cars for everyman so to achieve that price point they sacrifice too much quality, and everybody knows it. AND to circle back: if they try to do this in an existing brand (Pontiac), well, everyone associates it with cheapness so who wants to pay german prices for a 'cheap' brand? (case in point: as I mentioned a few posts ago, we used to have a Passat W8 wagon. 8 cylinders of fun for a LOT less than what it would cost for a BMW / Merc / Audi. BUT relative to VWs? The W8 was expensive. So it flopped. As did the Phaeton. As a co-worker/buddy of mine used to say to periodically cut me down at work: "Myz, you have a $70,000 Volkswagen...." - and there was no replying to that because nobody CARED that it was a helluva deal for what it was. The brand image of VW wouldn't support it) Anyway, what I am saying is if any car companies want to hire a middle aged corporate litigator to re-direct his career into criticizing their branding efforts, I can be reached at......
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talking out the other side of my mouth (from my other post where I listed all the reasons it makes no sense), I guarantee it will never get old to pull away from an older exotic car on the straights with some childseats in the back, with massage + ventilation activated in your driver seat not to mention tearing up all sorts of sports and sporty cars doing 65-110+mph freeway pulls, and "race start" launching to the tune of big V8 sounds |
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I am not talking about MSRP. You can shove Audi cars easily 20k+ their MSRP because their packaging is the way it is and the RS3 is no different. Not to mention, once again people love to just ignore the fact that the RS3, like the M2, is outdated interior wise. It is nowhere close to being as good of an Audi interior like the A4 and above. The current gen is also old, dating back to 2013 when the first A3 came out. Just because the car is small and nimble (for the most part) it doesn't ignore the fact that the RS3 is based from an now rather old chassis with a Haldex AWD. Paying 60k+ for an interior built for a mid 30kish car isn't practical, no matter how good of a car the RS3 is. For the F8x, It's easy to get under wholesale price. My current M3 was 1.5k UNDER invoice. You will be hard pressed to talk to Audi dealerships that can give you that straight up without haggling. I had to work around to my Porsche friends right next door to Audi to get my foot in. At that point, why not just get a Porsche instead when I know I can get a better car and price instead? Unlike the previous gen Panamera looking like a long loaf of bread, the new Panny looks good (as good as it can look anyway).
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The real selling point of the RS3 is that with just a tune and no hardware changes.... you are beating F90 M5s in the quarter mile. I think the APR stage 1 runs a 10.5. AND they made half as many RS3s as they did M3s in the 2018 model year. Probably because they gave out F80s like candy to anyone and everyone with those lease deals. I have a feeling that although the RS3 up front cost is expensive... it will depreciate a lot less and put more money back in your pocket than an M3 when you sell it. But i agree. The interior is pretty awful and the haldex understeer system kills the fun.
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I've noticed that these cars (E63 Wagon, RS6 Avant, etc) always have some cult following and yet no one actually buys them. Probably because they're trying to combine two opposing car philosophies into one and ending up with a mediocre car. I'd rather have an SUV/Truck and a performance car, even if it means I have to get an older/more affordable model.
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They used to say the E63S Wagon was the rarest model MB sold anywhere, period. And yet I know a few dudes here who have owned them (and who love them) Most people who love them don't because they are not cheap or something else comes up that makes it a no go - but these aren't intended to be cars that compete with every other car. The rarity makes them somewhat more appealing, IMNSHO.
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(though at 12 and 14 my kids would probably object if I made them get childseats again - hell, my eldest can get her learner's license right away here....)
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....I know i'm in the minority there...a passionate minority (as the Audi decision to bring the RS6 Avant over here shows) but definitely a minority.
Well Myz.....include me in that minority. I guess growing up in Germany the appeal to wagons has always been there for me. Unfortunately, an RS6 Avant will be out of reach for me when they are released. I wish Audi would have started with something a bit smaller such as an RS4 Avant to test the market to see how it does. With that said.....Im hoping that all goes well when the RS6 is released. Personally, I would love to see more sport wagons in the US instead of huge SUVs and Trucks, but again.....I guess I’m in the minority as well.
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I think a big reason why those niche cars dont sell is because of enthusiasts. Most will say 'yeah i'll wait for them to iron out the first year bugs, get one in 2-3 years as CPO and spend 30% less'. I'm in that camp.
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I have one on order. Nardo grey with black interior and RS package. It will be my first Audi. This car is a monster designwise.
Something I hoped BMW would risk instead of more and more fugly or extremly boring looking cars.
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Hey mmic.....how long before actually delivery Date? Please post some pics once she is delivered! Vielen Dank....
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Hey GERMAN M3, estimated delivery is 02-03/2020. I will post some pics when she arrives. Really looking forward to it. Grüße
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I kind of want an RS6 sedan. Is something wrong with me?
I don't want RS7 - back end always looks funky. Don't need a wagon... so why no sedan RS6?
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Over 100g's for an audi...better be an R8.
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I would love to consider one. But, my 2018 s5 sportback has had electrical problems from day one. They are getting progressively annoying. It’s a lease and I’m glad it is, if I owned I would have No confidence in it. Takes audi out of running for next car. Only 14000 miles and all sorts of electric bugs. My m4 never had the first problem, big or small, when I sold it at 50,000 miles. I’m going to try out a Benz maybe. But not getting anything till 21. So it will be between refreshed e63 or refreshed m5. As of now.
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