718 Cayman GTS VS. M4

[///MPE]

Thoughts? 365hp 0-62 4.1 seconds

[mtr3s]

Porsche no contest. Just traded in my M3 for a Cayman. Cayman is much more of a sports car. period.

[mrmoua2u]

Interesting.....no contest huh? I was thinking GT4 would be a better trade in for.

[nicknaz]

havent we covered this already in 1000x other threads

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

havent we covered this already in 1000x other threads

Yeah, but these are great photos!

[stevehifi]

if you think the f8x engine sounds like crap.. wait until you hear the boxer 4 in the cayman!

[CanAutM3]

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by shortseller

Yeah, but these are great photos!

Indeed!

Have to say though, my first thought was the wing is too small.

[bias alert: I have a picnic table sized wing attached to the decklid of my 6TT ]

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by mtr3s

Porsche no contest. Just traded in my M3 for a Cayman. Cayman is much more of a sports car. period.

You have a 981 with a silky smooth F6. The car in question has a highly boosted 4 banger ala STI/Focus RS/CLA 45. Porsche, in my humble opinion, fucked up the heart of this otherwise fantastic sports car.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

You have a 981 with a silky smooth F6. The car in question has a highly boosted 4 banger ala STI/Focus RS/CLA 45. Porsche, in my humble opinion, fucked up the heart of this otherwise fantastic sports car.

They were changing the paradigm, and creating "more" artificial space between the Cayman and 911. Mid engined should be the better handling car, if everything else is equal (steering geometry, engine power, wheels/tires, brakes, suspension, etc.) - but Porsche has never done that. Even so, the GT4 was a handling marvel, and that was with a fairly pedestrian 991S engine. Nothing in the GT-spec range.

So Porsche creates a market now where you must buy a 911 in order to get a F6 - and those start close to 100K, so it's all about the perception of the brand and maximizing profits from my perspective.

I had a 981 CS for two years, and it's on another planet from a handling perspective compared to my F80. That's not a knock on the M3, the 981 is just that good from a feel, sound, and involvement standpoint. The M3 is also much faster, easier as a DD, and has much more utility. As a person with the means and space for one car, the 981 was obviously awesome, but the F80 has been a nice replacement for sure.

I just don't love it like I loved the 981. Don't love the 718 either, in the couple of short experiences I have had with it, but it's most likely also on another planet from a handling perspective...just not as good in the sound or experience departments.

[JTO24]

I prefer the 718 S/GTS exhaust note over my previous civic M3.. granted, I don't have enough seat time in a ZCP F8x to compare it to the 718 S.

Both great cars, honestly. If you need the space/utility get an F8x. If not, I highly recommend trying the Cayman.

[Habber]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I prefer the 718 S/GTS exhaust note over my previous civic M3.. granted, I don't have enough seat time in a ZCP F8x to compare it to the 718 S.

Both great cars, honestly. If you need the space/utility get an F8x. If not, I highly recommend trying the Cayman.

But then doesn't the corvette need to be included etc??

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Habber

But then doesn't the corvette need to be included etc??

I say this with a little tongue in cheek, but I just couldn't buy a Vette. There's so many great things about the cars, especially the new ones and particularly from a "bang for the buck" side, but...they always have seemed cheesy to me somehow. I don't know if that makes sense, but even though a 981 or 718 would not be able to keep up with a Vette in most situations, I would take the Porsche every time.

Or a Bimmer. but that's just me.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I prefer the 718 S/GTS exhaust note over my previous civic M3.. granted, I don't have enough seat time in a ZCP F8x to compare it to the 718 S.

Both great cars, honestly. If you need the space/utility get an F8x. If not, I highly recommend trying the Cayman.

Put the PSE on your 981 and you will be in heaven. Check out Suncoast Porsche for good prices...I think I was able to get it for about $1900 shipped, and then it took another ~7 hours at the dealer for install.

Most of that is to get the valve button installed next to the gear selector - the physical part doesn't take long at all. Man, I miss that sound.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by Habber

But then doesn't the corvette need to be included etc??

It can be, yes. The performance value of the vette cannot be ignored.

For me personally, I DD my Cayman as I did my F80. I've strongly considered a GS corvette, but the issue with the vette is finding decent snow tires. They make them but I believe they are 295 or 305 in the rear and $$$. If you don't need to worry about snow then it's a non-issue obviously.

[Habber]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I say this with a little tongue in cheek, but I just couldn't buy a Vette. There's so many great things about the cars, especially the new ones and particularly from a "bang for the buck" side, but...they always have seemed cheesy to me somehow. I don't know if that makes sense, but even though a 981 or 718 would not be able to keep up with a Vette in most situations, I would take the Porsche every time.

Or a Bimmer. but that's just me.

Trust me when I tell you that I feel the exact same way. The Vette, is respected but I also always felt that it was cheesy too. Seems to me that guys who drive Vettes are most often driving solo.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

You have a 981 with a silky smooth F6. The car in question has a highly boosted 4 banger ala STI/Focus RS/CLA 45. Porsche, in my humble opinion, fucked up the heart of this otherwise fantastic sports car.

Same as BMW have done with the M3/4? As in they improved everything over the e92 generation but messed up the noise.

The S55 sounds dreadful for a straight 6, it's all farts, rasps and contrived pops and bangs, we have no room to point at the 718 IMHO for sounding not great as a 4 pot.

I love my car but I'd never start saying other cars sound rubbish when it's also the F80's Achilles heel.

[mtr3s]

Originally Posted by JTO24

It can be, yes. The performance value of the vette cannot be ignored.

For me personally, I DD my Cayman as I did my F80. I've strongly considered a GS corvette, but the issue with the vette is finding decent snow tires. They make them but I believe they are 295 or 305 in the rear and $$$. If you don't need to worry about snow then it's a non-issue obviously.

I DD this Cayman like I DD'd the M3 with all season tires. The difference this time I will get dedicated snow tires since there are few tire sizes in Cayman fitment, unless I go up a tire size in width.

As far as a 718, all the reviews I've read, bash the sound. Coming from a E90 M3 to F80 M3, my E90 sounded much better, but the F80 was the better M3. I believe that is the same case as I plan to get a 718 in 1-2 years. I do not keep my cars long, and make extra payments, so I am always in a decent position to trade in.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Habber

Trust me when I tell you that I feel the exact same way. The Vette, is respected but I also always felt that it was cheesy too. Seems to me that guys who drive Vettes are most often driving solo.

And seem to be older as well - the Dallas cars and coffee is huge, and the Vettes have their own section, which is enormous in its own right. There’s just a different vibe over in that section - I can understand why people love them, but it’s not my thing at all.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Audi has done a great job at making a six cylinder sound really good. The new RS5 isn't loud, but it does sound deep and has a rumble to it.

The 718 GTS is a far cry from the 981 in terms of sound, but the performance and the package is second to none.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by mtr3s

I DD this Cayman like I DD'd the M3 with all season tires. The difference this time I will get dedicated snow tires since there are few tire sizes in Cayman fitment, unless I go up a tire size in width.

As far as a 718, all the reviews I've read, bash the sound. Coming from a E90 M3 to F80 M3, my E90 sounded much better, but the F80 was the better M3. I believe that is the same case as I plan to get a 718 in 1-2 years. I do not keep my cars long, and make extra payments, so I am always in a decent position to trade in.

That's exactly how I feel regarding the cars you mention. My original plan was to go 718 S/GTS next; similar to my move from e92 M3 to F80 M3. We'll see if I can still swing it with everything going on (engagement, house, wedding etc.)

The Cayman on snows is a lot of fun

[Ilikemike]

Quote dmboone25: So Porsche creates a market now where you must buy a 911 in order to get a F6 - and those start close to 100K, so it's all about the perception of the brand and maximizing profits from my perspective.

Agreed! I struggle with spending the $$ on a 911 (feel like I 'need' the 'S') but $93K Can (with only the PDK) for a four banger? Even my wife would laugh at me (lol) but the car looks gorgeous and no doubt handles like a dream....!