Passive Suspension stiffness?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by varsity

Do we know whether ride height is lowered with AMS? Is the description largely the same as that on the regular 4er?

This option will not lower the ride height. For the F3x, the ride height is lowered by 10mm when you select either the adaptive suspension or the passive sport suspension. The standard F8x suspension is already lowered - possibly by even more than 10mm vs. the standard F3x suspension.

I agree with you on the complexity point, by the way. It's not that I don't think it will last or be reliable, or even that it's not worth the $900. I just don't feel like I will ever change the setting for one thing (as others here have already mentioned), and additionally for me the passive suspension has served me just fine in my past and current M3s, so I have no real desire to switch.

[indus]

I'm sure you all probably know this but it comes standard on the UK car.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by //M sa

Not unless your lowering with springs right? That is my plan.

Thats even worse than stock. Millions put into r&d and wasted to "look good"

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

Thats even worse than stock. Millions put into r&d and wasted to "look good"

yep. worse handling and ride quality

makes zero sense to me, but....

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

yep. worse handling and ride quality

makes zero sense to me, but....

Gotta look good i guess.

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

This option will not lower the ride height. For the F3x, the ride height is lowered by 10cm when you select either the adaptive suspension or the passive sport suspension. The standard F8x suspension is already lowered - possibly by even more than 10cm vs. the standard F3x suspension.

I agree with you on the complexity point, by the way. It's not that I don't think it will last or be reliable, or even that it's not worth the $900. I just don't feel like I will ever change the setting for one thing (as others here have already mentioned), and additionally for me the passive suspension has served me just fine in my past and current M3s, so I have no real desire to switch.

That should be mm not cm.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by varsity

I'm on the fence on this option. The benefit is that damping is adjustable on the fly. The drawback is that it's added complexity, electronics, weight, and cost.

I just want the suspension which allows maximum adjustability and alignment options, and minimum understeer. It's not clear to me whether Adaptive M Suspension fits that criteria.

Do we know whether ride height is lowered with AMS? Is the description largely the same as that on the regular 4er?

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im still debating

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

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im still debating

As most things, it is all about personal use and preferences.

For me it is a clear option that I want. What I enjoy the most about the M3 is that is a jack of all trades, it does everything very well. The EDC (or AMS now on the F8X) accentuates that aspect by having a comfortable daily driver and a sharp/stiffer car for the spirited drive or for the track. Further, the roads where I live are in pretty bad shape, it is got to have that softer setting. I have my default setting with most parameters on comfort and my M-Mode setting with everything dialled up. It gives a strong dual personality to the car when M-mode is engaged and EDC contributes to that.

The system does not add that much weight as is not that complex (electronically and mechanically simple, but complex to program well). It has proven perfectly reliable on my E92 M3 for 6 years.

[RocketBoots]

I agree with what others have said. It IS a bit of a no-brianer, but then again, like some, I tend to 'just set it and forget it'.

I'm also a bit curious as to the actual mechanism of how it works (I have no idea how it works on the current M), and if there will be potential long-term reliability issues from a more complicated mechanism.

But, yeah, 99% I'm getting it.

[/// M sa]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

Gotta look good i guess.

The front gap is ugly, not sure why BMW feels like they have to leave huge gaps when Audi and MB are pretty low to start with.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Carl L

That should be mm not cm.

Doh! Believe it or not, I had previously typed 1mm. I changed it from wrong to wronger.

Originally Posted by indus

I'm sure you all probably know this but it comes standard on the UK car.

Indeed. But it is optional in Canada, and right now it looks like it will be an option in the US as well.

Originally Posted by RocketBoots

I'm also a bit curious as to the actual mechanism of how it works (I have no idea how it works on the current M), and if there will be potential long-term reliability issues from a more complicated mechanism.

Funny you should ask:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=942225

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

Thats even worse than stock. Millions put into r&d and wasted to "look good"

I believe the stock springs are Eibach. If you put in aftermarket springs from Eibach they would still know all about the R&D

I agree springs make your car ride like hammered ass. I probably won't get this option with the plan to put some KW on the car.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by //M sa

The front gap is ugly, not sure why BMW feels like they have to leave huge gaps when Audi and MB are pretty low to start with.

For a balance of comfort and performance?

You know the second they make it low and stiffer ppl will complain on here lol.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I believe the stock springs are Eibach. If you put in aftermarket springs from Eibach they would still know all about the R&D

I agree springs make your car ride like hammered ass. I probably won't get this option with the plan to put some KW on the car.

I dont necessarily agree as bmw would do the testing and eibach would supply the parts. And eibach wouldnt know the damper settings.

But like you i would pass for some kw. It actually rides better than the stiff setting as in over bumps it doesnt jolt the car around but rather soaks it in. Its amazing. Should come this way!!

[damnitBobby]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

This option will not lower the ride height. For the F3x, the ride height is lowered by 10mm when you select either the adaptive suspension or the passive sport suspension. The standard F8x suspension is already lowered - possibly by even more than 10mm vs. the standard F3x suspension.

I agree with you on the complexity point, by the way. It's not that I don't think it will last or be reliable, or even that it's not worth the $900. I just don't feel like I will ever change the setting for one thing (as others here have already mentioned), and additionally for me the passive suspension has served me just fine in my past and current M3s, so I have no real desire to switch.

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I know that if I ever did get this option, I would never adjust the suspension after I have set it to the sport mode (or whatever it's called).. so I will most likely not get this option

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

This option will not lower the ride height. For the F3x, the ride height is lowered by 10mm when you select either the adaptive suspension or the passive sport suspension. The standard F8x suspension is already lowered - possibly by even more than 10mm vs. the standard F3x suspension.

I agree with you on the complexity point, by the way. It's not that I don't think it will last or be reliable, or even that it's not worth the $900. I just don't feel like I will ever change the setting for one thing (as others here have already mentioned), and additionally for me the passive suspension has served me just fine in my past and current M3s, so I have no real desire to switch.

I'll be honest....


.....I'm opting for it mainly for the buttons.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'll be honest....


.....I'm opting for it mainly for the buttons.

Ha!

I'm the opposite on that. I would opt for a console-button-delete package if I could (I guess that would really be M Driving Dynamics Control delete). The two M buttons on the steering wheel are all I will ever need, and even those might be superfluous if the new MDrive has the ability to program Drivelogic (and perhaps DSC, if I decide to make MDM my goto mode for that) settings to the key for startup defaults. Unfortunately, I have a feeling it won't, but we'll see.

[Chill72]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'll be honest....


.....I'm opting for it mainly for the buttons.

Yep.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Ha!

I'm the opposite on that. I would opt for a console-button-delete package if I could (I guess that would really be M Driving Dynamics Control delete). The two M buttons on the steering wheel are all I will ever need, and even those might be superfluous if the new MDrive has the ability to program Drivelogic (and perhaps DSC, if I decide to make MDM my goto mode for that) settings to the key for startup defaults. Unfortunately, I have a feeling it won't, but we'll see.

I need that auto rev matching feature deleted please. Thanks BMW!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'll be honest....


.....I'm opting for it mainly for the buttons.

Empty button slot for NOS buttons!!!!



(Joke)

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Empty button slot for NOS buttons!!!!



(Joke)

...and retractable wheel mounted tire spikes.

[TheDeliverator]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

...I agree with you on the complexity point, by the way. It's not that I don't think it will last or be reliable, or even that it's not worth the $900. I just don't feel like I will ever change the setting for one thing (as others here have already mentioned), and additionally for me the passive suspension has served me just fine in my past and current M3s, so I have no real desire to switch.

This may be a difficult comparison due to not knowing how stiff the standard suspension was on the e9x M's compared to the ZCP, but...

When I was in Amsterdam, the car would scrape the bottom of the front lip leaving the hotel's driveway, on all but the stiffest setting (even going under 1 mph). Granted (as mentioned), I don't know how stiff the standard passive suspension is but if it's less stiff than the Sport it may not prevent scraping.